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MadMan2k
26th Nov 2004, 10:02 AM
the arms of the female model posted on BU are much too thin.
They are even too thin for a catwalk model having anorexia.
But we are talking here about a fighter...

Also the solid face mask makes it look too much like robot - but
perhaps Im totally wrong and it shall be a robot..

Mantik
26th Nov 2004, 10:12 AM
Well, if you want to get completely technical.. the models used in XMP right now could be male or female. The entire body is covered. If you saw someone wearing a full suit of bomb squad ballistic armor, would you know if it were male or female before hearing it's voice? ;P

communist
26th Nov 2004, 10:26 AM
I too think the arms is extremely thin. As for the eyes / face - well I just saw that Legends original concept was like / similar to this - ok.. but the arms should really be changed a bit :)

[DF]phalanx
26th Nov 2004, 10:29 AM
meh ranger = stick d00d
:P

Captain Kewl
26th Nov 2004, 10:30 AM
I had a mod for U2XMP that changed the player voices to use the female voices if the player toggled it... one of the things I would have liked to do is add karma ponytails to heads of the models as well... :P

CaSCaDe
26th Nov 2004, 11:01 AM
the model has been draw EXACTLY over the concept art, give or take a few verts, and to be realy honest if the arms where thinker it would look wierd (believe me, i tried)

Skatcher
26th Nov 2004, 11:13 PM
how many faces/quads/polys does the female ranger have....how many can the UT engine support?

washuu
26th Nov 2004, 11:28 PM
The female model doesn't have enough of an ass, and a face which is to much on the manly side than feminine side.

PITZ2030
27th Nov 2004, 08:19 AM
How about a Female Tech and Gunnergirl ?

CardinalDancer
28th Nov 2004, 08:32 AM
That's right, and she's flat! We want boobs damnit! Remember, U2XMP had a few girls, this is a manly game first and foremost. Hence we require hot chicks models to be put in the game. Look, remove the armor parts where it might get interesting *wink wink* and btw ponytails appeal me too. On the other hand I find that you've been a little heavy on make-up there...

GotBeer?
29th Nov 2004, 11:58 AM
I'm surprised PhatAzz hasn't weighed in yet. Definitely needs a slammin' booty, and a pony tail. Maybe a Playboy Bunny outfit.

Gumby
29th Nov 2004, 12:15 PM
I'm surprised PhatAzz hasn't weighed in yet. Definitely needs a slammin' booty, and a pony tail. Maybe a Playboy Bunny outfit.
OMG lol yeah and she can divert attention by stripping instead of carrying any weapons :lol:

washuu
29th Nov 2004, 01:14 PM
Gunner doesn't work... the armor is to big for it to matter... I guess the tech might be able to, but still under the same lines... Change the two just a tad to make it seem like it is another model to chose from if anything at all.

PhatAzz
29th Nov 2004, 07:41 PM
Gunner doesn't work... the armor is to big for it to matter... I guess the tech might be able to, but still under the same lines... Change the two just a tad to make it seem like it is another model to chose from if anything at all.

BAH,

nothing like a bunch of chubby chasers going after a chunky honey...come on...BIG BEAUTIFUL WOMEN -> BIG BEAUTIFUL GUNNER...with a PHAT AZZ

Keasis
29th Nov 2004, 08:38 PM
the model has been draw EXACTLY over the concept art, give or take a few verts, and to be realy honest if the arms where thinker it would look wierd (believe me, i tried)

It seems the arms, or atleast the elbow, is indeed too small, considering the size of the lower arms, the armor. Also the face is longer, or less broad then the concept art.

For reference:

Original concept art for the female ranger;
http://www.u2xmp.com/content/ConceptArt/rangersheet_female.jpg

Female model promo shot;
http://www.free-monkey.com/main/promo/promo17.jpg

(and yes I did intent for both of them to be posted is IMG and not URL)

AshTrai
29th Nov 2004, 10:12 PM
indeed, the arms do look weird ... like prosthetic arms or summin :p

saying that, i dont dislike the model/skin :)

dutch_gecko
30th Nov 2004, 04:34 AM
Hmm, I agree now too. We need more armage.

IndianPsycho
30th Nov 2004, 06:17 AM
It's not going to be changed.

|pure|Destruction
30th Nov 2004, 06:43 AM
It's not going to be changed.
fmi-3 / bu-0

Jackal
30th Nov 2004, 06:56 AM
it's fine how it is. if you want to play as a girl...then that's your problem. as far as the women go.... look at 2k4. they pulled it off ok. the gunner chick doesn't have to be "OMF SO ****ING HOT ****!!!!"

.pot.OptimusPrime
30th Nov 2004, 07:45 AM
Well. This shows once again one of the reasons why so few girls play this stuff. The models of female warriors are soooooo pornographic that if I was a girl and played XMP, sure as heck I would play male. Just imagine yourself swinging around dressed like a futuristic stripper from gay bar with just string pants. Wouldnīt you feel even a slightly stupid. Now all homophobics run screaming under their beds for shelter... But basically itīs the same thing. In almost every imaginable game armors leave the crucial parts of females uncovered.

As if Internet wasnīt enough filled with porn. Games could be an exception. Go and download some hardcore **** or get out of your gaming crypt and see real girls. :)

hoak
30th Nov 2004, 08:23 AM
I think she looks great! My sister says the eye makeup on the concept drawing is better -- both look great to me... :)

So, what the poop on the UT·XMP HUD? :D

:D

GotBeer?
30th Nov 2004, 10:15 AM
So the female players get no masks to defend against all the nasty male gas spammage?

Jackal
30th Nov 2004, 12:00 PM
So the female players get no masks to defend against all the nasty male gas spammage?


i agree, i posted awhile ago about that same thing. no masks, but the males do? sounds sexist to me. kill the women first you say? if anything, a mask. just so it looks like part of the class base system.

Jubei
30th Nov 2004, 02:58 PM
the arms of the female model posted on BU are much too thin.
They are even too thin for a catwalk model having anorexia.
But we are talking here about a fighter...

Also the solid face mask makes it look too much like robot - but
perhaps Im totally wrong and it shall be a robot..


that's not true
in ww2 the russian army deployed only small,fragile female snipers to the outskirts of the city, they could stand more time without food also, it's a ranger,sniper,not a kung fu girl, besides ingame it will all come together, you must be happy that they actually took the time to make a female ranger. and she needs her face mask as there will be many gassers trying to get her sweet ass.

TychoAI
30th Nov 2004, 03:21 PM
Alright, some points to be made about the female ranger:

1. The model and skin is what it is, and the likelyness of it changing as I understand is virtually non-existent.

2. To those who complain about her not being "sexy" enough. First of all, UT or XMP isn't porn, so you're looking in the wrong place for "sexy". Second of all, it's rather sad the normally proportioned people, in reasonable armor/war gear (for the story line) is uninteresting because it doesn't meet your criteria for sexy. Which basically means you're sad.

3. The model and skin was a compromise of 3 things. First there was the original concept art, second, there was the male ranger model and texture, and third was our personal creativity and interpretation of what is reasonable and realistic within the context of the game. The concept sketch had her face and hair completely uncovered and vulnerable. The skin gives her a moulded facemask which doesn't really look that way in the promo image that was uploaded, but if it's highly demanded I can show you a different render. That's why her face is the color it is..she DOES have a mask on, just different than the one the male ranger has and that is why she has the eyes she does, and the warpaint. The proportions are what they are. She's an average, normal human female who there's to kick your ass. Her elbows look a bit thin, but that's also partly a consequence of the pose in the render and the crappy IK weighting I did when I posed her (no, I'm not going to change her rig just for a promo shot).

Ultimately, I can understand stylistic taste and preferences, but to those that say things like "she looks manly" or that she doesn't have enough curvage, or some ridiculous comments about playboy outfits, I recommend you grow up.

CaSCaDe
30th Nov 2004, 04:03 PM
:stupid:

IndianPsycho
30th Nov 2004, 05:36 PM
:stupid:

MadMan2k
30th Nov 2004, 05:38 PM
The proportions are what they are. She's an average, normal human female who there's to kick your ass. Her elbows look a bit thin, but that's also partly a consequence of the pose in the render and the crappy IK weighting I did when I posed her (no, I'm not going to change her rig just for a promo shot).
alright, im ok with the proportions, but the mask really annoys me - it takes out every mimic out of the face, which made the concept art look mature.
Therefore the model looks like a 6yrs old girl or something also becouse of the childish curve proportions.
But IMO it still looks more like an robot than that - all I ask is a mask more in the style of the original Ranger or perhaps some ninja style.

2. To those who complain about her not being "sexy" enough. First of all, UT or XMP isn't porn, so you're looking in the wrong place for "sexy". Second of all, it's rather sad the normally proportioned people, in reasonable armor/war gear (for the story line) is uninteresting because it doesn't meet your criteria for sexy. Which basically means you're sad.
definatly could give one a tactical advantage

*runs* :D

http://nemesis.rushers.net/pics/sm_asylum_10000.JPG

|pure|Destruction
30th Nov 2004, 05:48 PM
rofl @ this thread!
women in games supposed to be sexy, if anyone here doesnt like sexy women youre just out right gay or anti feminist. cause the majority of gamers who are going to play the games are like under 21 who like seeing half naked/anatomically correct chicks running around. not some heshe disproportionate female model with boobs that are mid chested and arms that look worse than gumby! but newaaay. i guess i can still give a cookie to whoever made the chick for at least giving her to us regardless of what it looks like. so good job and at least thanks for that.

fireball
30th Nov 2004, 05:52 PM
...
Dude, you realise that easily 80% of the people behind a female model are guys? If you find that attractive..
*shudder*

GotBeer?
1st Dec 2004, 03:16 PM
OK, guess I didn't realize that's a mask molded to look like a face. My bad. I still mean what I said about the booty, though. Why do people buy better video cards if not for the eye candy? I want eye candy! :D

...
Dude, you realise that easily 80% of the people behind a female model are guys? If you find that attractive..
*shudder*
As long as I don't take them aside into a chat room for some "one on one", it's all good. :eek:

Xaero
1st Dec 2004, 03:36 PM
Will you people find nothing that you can't criticize? How often do you really notice the width of someone's arms in game? If you find the time, please let me, cause I'll gladly come by and frag you while you standing there contemplating. ;)

Mantik
1st Dec 2004, 03:46 PM
Well. This shows once again one of the reasons why so few girls play this stuff. The models of female warriors are soooooo pornographic that if I was a girl and played XMP, sure as heck I would play male. Just imagine yourself swinging around dressed like a futuristic stripper from gay bar with just string pants. Wouldnīt you feel even a slightly stupid. Now all homophobics run screaming under their beds for shelter... But basically itīs the same thing. In almost every imaginable game armors leave the crucial parts of females uncovered.

As if Internet wasnīt enough filled with porn. Games could be an exception. Go and download some hardcore **** or get out of your gaming crypt and see real girls. :)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I love you, man.

communist
1st Dec 2004, 03:57 PM
Will you people find nothing that you can't criticize? How often do you really notice the width of someone's arms in game? If you find the time, please let me, cause I'll gladly come by and frag you while you standing there contemplating. ;)
Well most people here (hopefully) are trying to let the devs / artists know that it *might* look better if x was changed and y altered this or that way. Its their work (read mod) - so I'm not gonna make outrageous requests / demands about how they should handle it.
Think of it when artists / devs release WIP stuff and ask for feedback. Sure FMI is not asking for feedback but then again we could just sit around and post nothing in this forum... abut that wouldn be much fun ;)

Xaero
1st Dec 2004, 04:00 PM
actually, yeah it would...

edit: cxp should be releasing the UTXMP nude patch anyway, so no worries. :lol:

GotBeer?
1st Dec 2004, 05:20 PM
cxp should be releasing the UTXMP nude patch anyway, so no worries. :lol:
:eek: The horror, the horror...

Fleury14
1st Dec 2004, 07:10 PM
:eek: The horror, the horror...

I'm not sure which is scarier. A nude patch, or another CXP release. ;)

fireball
1st Dec 2004, 07:51 PM
It's both, run for the hills.

NRK
1st Dec 2004, 10:44 PM
It's both, run for the hills.

Complete list of the most important CXP mutators:
We gonna replace folowing weapons:
-SniperRifle to GasRifle, it shots laser of gas which spreads in long line accross the map (cool! now we could SNIPE with gas)
-Pistol to Gas Spidermine Launcher (gas folows you whenever you go).
-Shock lance to super effective gas ball launcher, to be able to kill anyone INSIDE any vehicle (they cant escape, muhahaha)
-Auto Turret to sniper turret (this one would eliminate reasons to camp, and increse farming possibilities)
-Rocket Turret to gas turret (YAY fireball already gave us his code!)
-Forcewalls to gas walls (making forcewalls effective again!)
-Upgrade gas nades to the way napalm nades works (haha FEAR)
-Mines, laserTrip Mines of course should spread amount of gas to instant kill anyone who steps on them.
-Replace Rocket Laucher to Gas Redeemer. Gunner can supply himself of course. It launches amount of gas to instant burn enemy video cards.

So you see there is no nude patch or anything like that.

Xaero
1st Dec 2004, 11:46 PM
I'm sure I could talk Dandel into adding it to the list. :)

GotBeer?
2nd Dec 2004, 09:25 AM
I'm not sure which is scarier. A nude patch, or another CXP release. ;)
You notice I didn't specify... ;)

PETsnake
7th Dec 2004, 12:40 AM
i heard phalanx was working on a mutator to increase the bust size proportionally to the amount of health you have ie larger chest for those with more health so they become easier targets, once the health is worn down the chest shrinks to make your body hard to hit . . .

also, good work on mixing it up some on the model, i think we were all just waiting for more of the same, props :D





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