Misplaced maps

Ntwarr · Oct 11, 2004

well i found this site having my maps on it...
(if you haven't clicked the box do so now)

CLICK THIS

and i didn't sumbit them here is that angist nalicity?
or i'm not getting the picture here is against the rules?
if so I willl like to place my own maps where i want them not other people

Manticore · Oct 11, 2004

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Why woudln't Nali City want your maps? It's up to you where you submit isn't it?

Quite honestly I'm not really understanding what you mean or what type of answer you expect....

I thought UTCMS has really become an archive site these days and didn't deal with new stuff much. Whatever..............

Ntwarr · Oct 11, 2004

did you go to the site given? by THE LARGE LETTERS SAYING "CLICK THIS!" somebody posted "My maps" on a other site than nalicity

XepptizZ · Oct 11, 2004

Many JB maps have been placed at NC, but mostly not by the author even though the author's name is correct.

Ntwarr · Oct 11, 2004

doesn't anybody Click the Link I gave You? somebody on the another website than nalicity and beyondunreal sites has been posting our maps on thier site

Manticore · Oct 11, 2004

Thanks for the clarification....

Ntwarr said:
did you go to the site given? by THE LARGE LETTERS SAYING "CLICK THIS!" somebody posted "My maps" on a other site than nalicity

Obvioulsy I did click the link to UTCMS. Now that you have posted as in the quote above I understand what you are saying. Somebody OTHER THAN YOU has submitted your maps somewhere.

Not good. If you think it has something to do with NC you should message the admins.. I'm only a visitor here myself.

Obviously this situation should not have happened without your permission and I hope you get to the bottom of it.

Ntwarr · Oct 11, 2004

ok then it's not just me if you posted a map there then that person has your map

I don't like this at all

Website was found by google search: "Ntwarr"

Your maps can be there as well

Manticore · Oct 11, 2004

Maybe you should ask questions of UTCMS

Ntwarr said:
ok then it's not just me if you posted a map there then that person has your map

I don't like this at all

Website was found by google search: "Ntwarr"

Your maps can be there as well

Have you actually talked to the admins. at UTCMS? Surely if someone posted anything there they would have to be logged in and, therefore, there would be a record of the login.

I'm not familiar with your maps but you are right not to like it. It's your work and anything to do with your work requires your permission.

Make enquiries...

XepptizZ · Oct 11, 2004

Weird idea isn't it? The maps you placed at NC to be distributed over the web? it's those damn groupies!!! Before you know it people will be sending you puke-hair for some reason, I finally had to place a "NO FANMAIL" sticker on my mailbox.

But if you read what is stated in the read-me generator at NC it states:
Copyright / Permissions
-----------------------
This level is copyrighted by Steve Nabors.

Authors may not NOT use this level as a base to build additional levels.

You are NOT allowed to commercially exploit this level, i.e. put it on a CD
or any other electronic medium that is sold for money without my explicit
permission!

You MAY distribute this level through any electronic network (internet,
FIDO, local BBS etc.), provided you include this file and leave the archive
intact.

XepptizZ · Oct 11, 2004

Strangly I do agree with you guys at some level.

Ntwarr · Oct 11, 2004

I thinking where to do so it doesn't say there i'll have to check

Note: Dosen't nalicity have a copyright? meaning if you didn't sumbit somewhere the mappers can all rights to take it off the thier site?

Ntwarr · Oct 11, 2004

There is no way you can log in

I'll see if i can do so

THIS IS A CRIME!
MY MAPS ARE ONLY FOR NALICITY!

Manticore · Oct 11, 2004

...amazed...

What amazes me (apart from the fact that someone has done this to you) is that whoever did this chose UTCMS/Furpile.com. Perhaps the people who did this have something against UTCMS as well as/or instead of you.

UTCMS is basically an archive. It's somewhere you go when you need redundant/semi-redundant .utx .umx etc. files. There are a lot of maps there but it all appears to be old stuff. (Or it was like that last time I went there for a serious look).

There have been some negative and revenge-driven posters around Nali City lately so, perhaps, this could be just as much revenge act against NC or UTCMS and you are the innocent victim.

Speaking of you as the victim, yes there are copyright laws both local and international and you have certain rights of ownership of your materials. At least you should be able to approach the admins./owners of UTCMS and explain that these materials were uploaded to them without your permission and that you want them removed.

You should also contact the site admins. here at BU/NC and see if they can give you any information about shonky uploads and /or link redirections.

And yes, copyright laws MAY attract criminal proceedings against those that break them. That will depend on a lot of things though........

Ntwarr · Oct 11, 2004

i need somebody to give me a log in to do so or Ask masschoas for the reason people are doing this to our maps

Ntwarr · Oct 11, 2004

Never mind I sent my message

MassChAoS · Oct 11, 2004

Oh joy, this one will be fun to explain...

UTCMS is owned by former (former in the sense that he is not very active) NC/BU staff guy named Varpu. By uploading to NC, I'm almost certain the map will appear on UTCMS because of the connections between Varpu and BU. Don't hold me to the last statement.

Normally a readme contains a statement that allows for FREE distribution of a map, if it is intact without modifications and the person doing the distribution gets no profit from it. I'm not sure if your zips contain those readme's or not, cause I don't read them (oh the irony...).

Then there is the frame of mind that a normal mapper has, which would be to have as many people as you can to play your maps, thus most mappers upload to multiple places. Its common to see your map spread around, get on servers, etc.

If you're really upset that people might actually find your map on another site, you can contact Varpu. In my opinion, its nothing to be upset or worried about.

MassChAoS · Oct 11, 2004

Of note, I had nothing directly to do with this, nor did anyone else at NC.

Varpu · Oct 12, 2004

Haveing map available @ UTCMS

First of all, my apologies of putting Your material publicly available on my site without asking Your permission first.

I have now disabled download feature for all the material You requested. All other features like server tracking are still available.

It is NOT my intention to benefit from archiving maps. It IS my intention to keep the material available.

You can chek the state of Your files and also the files of littlebunny.

Just FYI: You have been #2 to ask this kind of service during these 3 years the site has been up ....

You may be partially right in that that I should not keep material publicly available without a permission of the author(s). However - having the material already publicly available (in a game server for example) would be considered as a statement by itself ....

Most (99.99999%) of the mappers do not mind having their maps available as long as they are given the credit. I have tried to get at least the author name correct. Hopefully this has been fullfilled in Your case.

I can remove the non-downloadable flag - all You need to do is to say so.

BTW, I was about to start whining about the ripped music - howéver I noticed that at least the CTF-Mountianbase.umx had something to do with You

ChromeBallz · Oct 12, 2004

Didn't anyone notice the screenshyots of the maps there are from StevenMountainBase?

XepptizZ · Oct 12, 2004

Cool, even I'm up there and you've even taken the time to fill out the autors name I filled in the preview. I find this publicity not offensive at all and even like it, I placed my map on Mapraider and Unrealplayground as well as NC offcourse. It took me a while and I didn't like to do it, to much time and it takes out my bandwith.

And Varpu, could you be so kind to place the TacOps stuff up your site? It's a resource many people seem to use, but forget not everyone has TacOps, wich makes their levels regretably unplayable. i do have a nasty feeling in my guts the Mod has some kind of extended copy-wright.

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