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Ntwarr
11th Oct 2004, 05:02 PM
well i found this site having my maps on it...
(if you haven't clicked the box do so now)




CLICK THIS (http://www.furpile.com/UTCMS/files/search/?advs=1&task=list&pgln=200&ordr=3&ctgr=13&anam=ntwarr&anax=1)

and i didn't sumbit them here is that angist nalicity?
or i'm not getting the picture here is against the rules?
if so I willl like to place my own maps where i want them not other people

Manticore
11th Oct 2004, 05:26 PM
Why woudln't Nali City want your maps? It's up to you where you submit isn't it?

Quite honestly I'm not really understanding what you mean or what type of answer you expect....

I thought UTCMS has really become an archive site these days and didn't deal with new stuff much. Whatever..............

Ntwarr
11th Oct 2004, 05:32 PM
did you go to the site given? by THE LARGE LETTERS SAYING "CLICK THIS!" somebody posted "My maps" on a other site than nalicity

XepptizZ
11th Oct 2004, 05:42 PM
Many JB maps have been placed at NC, but mostly not by the author even though the author's name is correct.

Ntwarr
11th Oct 2004, 05:59 PM
doesn't anybody Click the Link I gave You? somebody on the another website than nalicity and beyondunreal sites has been posting our maps on thier site

Manticore
11th Oct 2004, 06:03 PM
did you go to the site given? by THE LARGE LETTERS SAYING "CLICK THIS!" somebody posted "My maps" on a other site than nalicity
Obvioulsy I did click the link to UTCMS. Now that you have posted as in the quote above I understand what you are saying. Somebody OTHER THAN YOU has submitted your maps somewhere.

Not good. If you think it has something to do with NC you should message the admins.. I'm only a visitor here myself.

Obviously this situation should not have happened without your permission and I hope you get to the bottom of it.

Ntwarr
11th Oct 2004, 06:08 PM
ok then it's not just me if you posted a map there then that person has your map

I don't like this at all

Website was found by google search: "Ntwarr"

Your maps can be there as well

Manticore
11th Oct 2004, 06:20 PM
ok then it's not just me if you posted a map there then that person has your map

I don't like this at all

Website was found by google search: "Ntwarr"

Your maps can be there as well
Have you actually talked to the admins. at UTCMS? Surely if someone posted anything there they would have to be logged in and, therefore, there would be a record of the login.

I'm not familiar with your maps but you are right not to like it. It's your work and anything to do with your work requires your permission.

Make enquiries...

XepptizZ
11th Oct 2004, 06:24 PM
Weird idea isn't it? The maps you placed at NC to be distributed over the web? it's those damn groupies!!! Before you know it people will be sending you puke-hair for some reason, I finally had to place a "NO FANMAIL" sticker on my mailbox.

But if you read what is stated in the read-me generator at NC it states:
Copyright / Permissions
-----------------------
This level is copyrighted by Steve Nabors.

Authors may not NOT use this level as a base to build additional levels.

You are NOT allowed to commercially exploit this level, i.e. put it on a CD
or any other electronic medium that is sold for money without my explicit
permission!

You MAY distribute this level through any electronic network (internet,
FIDO, local BBS etc.), provided you include this file and leave the archive
intact.

XepptizZ
11th Oct 2004, 06:25 PM
Strangly I do agree with you guys at some level.

Ntwarr
11th Oct 2004, 08:50 PM
I thinking where to do so it doesn't say there i'll have to check

Note: Dosen't nalicity have a copyright? meaning if you didn't sumbit somewhere the mappers can all rights to take it off the thier site?

Ntwarr
11th Oct 2004, 08:55 PM
There is no way you can log in

I'll see if i can do so

THIS IS A CRIME!
MY MAPS ARE ONLY FOR NALICITY!

Manticore
11th Oct 2004, 09:33 PM
What amazes me (apart from the fact that someone has done this to you) is that whoever did this chose UTCMS/Furpile.com. Perhaps the people who did this have something against UTCMS as well as/or instead of you.

UTCMS is basically an archive. It's somewhere you go when you need redundant/semi-redundant .utx .umx etc. files. There are a lot of maps there but it all appears to be old stuff. (Or it was like that last time I went there for a serious look).

There have been some negative and revenge-driven posters around Nali City lately so, perhaps, this could be just as much revenge act against NC or UTCMS and you are the innocent victim.

Speaking of you as the victim, yes there are copyright laws both local and international and you have certain rights of ownership of your materials. At least you should be able to approach the admins./owners of UTCMS and explain that these materials were uploaded to them without your permission and that you want them removed.

You should also contact the site admins. here at BU/NC and see if they can give you any information about shonky uploads and /or link redirections.

And yes, copyright laws MAY attract criminal proceedings against those that break them. That will depend on a lot of things though........

Ntwarr
11th Oct 2004, 09:38 PM
i need somebody to give me a log in to do so or Ask masschoas for the reason people are doing this to our maps

Ntwarr
11th Oct 2004, 09:52 PM
Never mind I sent my message

MassChAoS
11th Oct 2004, 11:11 PM
Oh joy, this one will be fun to explain...

UTCMS is owned by former (former in the sense that he is not very active) NC/BU staff guy named Varpu. By uploading to NC, I'm almost certain the map will appear on UTCMS because of the connections between Varpu and BU. Don't hold me to the last statement.

Normally a readme contains a statement that allows for FREE distribution of a map, if it is intact without modifications and the person doing the distribution gets no profit from it. I'm not sure if your zips contain those readme's or not, cause I don't read them (oh the irony...).

Then there is the frame of mind that a normal mapper has, which would be to have as many people as you can to play your maps, thus most mappers upload to multiple places. Its common to see your map spread around, get on servers, etc.

If you're really upset that people might actually find your map on another site, you can contact Varpu. In my opinion, its nothing to be upset or worried about.

MassChAoS
11th Oct 2004, 11:12 PM
Of note, I had nothing directly to do with this, nor did anyone else at NC.

Varpu
12th Oct 2004, 05:44 AM
First of all, my apologies of putting Your material publicly available on my site without asking Your permission first.

I have now disabled download feature for all the material You requested. All other features like server tracking are still available.

It is NOT my intention to benefit from archiving maps. It IS my intention to keep the material available.

You can chek the state of Your files (http://furpile.com/UTCMS/files/search/?advs=1&task=list&anam=Ntwarr&anax=1) and also the files of littlebunny (http://furpile.com/UTCMS/files/search/?advs=1&task=list&pgln=50&anam=littlebunny&anax=1).

Just FYI: You have been #2 to ask this kind of service during these 3 years the site has been up ....

You may be partially right in that that I should not keep material publicly available without a permission of the author(s). However - having the material already publicly available (in a game server for example) would be considered as a statement by itself ....

Most (99.99999%) of the mappers do not mind having their maps available as long as they are given the credit. I have tried to get at least the author name correct. Hopefully this has been fullfilled in Your case.

I can remove the non-downloadable flag - all You need to do is to say so.

BTW, I was about to start whining about the ripped music - howéver I noticed that at least the CTF-Mountianbase.umx had something to do with You ;)

ChromeBallz
12th Oct 2004, 06:38 AM
Didn't anyone notice the screenshyots of the maps there are from StevenMountainBase?

XepptizZ
12th Oct 2004, 03:06 PM
Cool, even I'm up there and you've even taken the time to fill out the autors name I filled in the preview. I find this publicity not offensive at all and even like it, I placed my map on Mapraider and Unrealplayground as well as NC offcourse. It took me a while and I didn't like to do it, to much time and it takes out my bandwith.

And Varpu, could you be so kind to place the TacOps stuff up your site? It's a resource many people seem to use, but forget not everyone has TacOps, wich makes their levels regretably unplayable. i do have a nasty feeling in my guts the Mod has some kind of extended copy-wright.

Ntwarr
12th Oct 2004, 06:52 PM
ok thanks

I give you permission to post "Ntwarr's 1on1 lava map pack" when it's finished

Nobody esle

Ntwarr
12th Oct 2004, 06:54 PM
Didn't anyone notice the screenshyots of the maps there are from StevenMountainBase?

What do you mean?

Masschoas i'm not blaming you

oh yeah you might want to e-mail me befoer you post my maps for now on no matter what or post at my forum updated so often

My ds skins are now new and on the forum under the skins area
Skins uplaoded: soldierNtwarr

Join this forum (quote taken form ifskinzone [not ut skins]

Varpu
13th Oct 2004, 12:25 AM
...<snip>And Varpu, could you be so kind to place the TacOps stuff up your site? It's a resource many people seem to use, <snip>...

There exists over 500 TO maps (http://furpile.com/UTCMS/files/search/?advs=1&task=list&ordr=3&ctgr=6&type=623). The mods can be downloaded from here (ftp://furpile.com/mods/ut/TacticalOps/) and if You are missing some texture etc.. they can usually be found from UTCMS with ease. If there exists multiple versions of a particular texture - I suggest trying the oldest and the newest. Usually the oldest is the best bet.

At a time I tried to distinguish between TO and AOT maps - unfortunately nmobody seemed to know how one can technically distinguish these two map types (technically meaning looking inside the map, counting actors etc..) so You may get surprised by these mixed TO and AOT maps...

FInally a word about the relation of NC and me. I have been active here but that was a long (year or so) time ago. Since then I have go my Radio Amateur Licence (OH2GTK) and it has taken quite a bunch of my time.

I have also been doing a lot of metal and electronics work for my satellite antenna project. Also, my work has a bad habit of disturbing my private activities...

I really hope this explains my absence.

In the very beginning of UTCMS I made it clear that it will NOT be a competitor for NC. UTCMS is NOT a reviewing site. It is just an automatic storage for stuff. It does some ranking but that mechanism has nothing to do with the quality of the material. It is merely a popularity measurement (scans servers and looks how many players play which map).

paranoia
13th Oct 2004, 01:09 AM
I actually find it quite flattering that someone would take the time to "spread my maps around." I mean someone submitted my map tregeagle to mapraider and was kind enough to fill in all it's little details and take something like 10 screenshots and post it all up. . .I don't know who it was but it saved me a hell of a lot of time :)

GTD-Carthage
13th Oct 2004, 05:26 AM
Wow... my Condor Base is in UTCMS too... not to mention my geeky annoying real name... and a 50% bad and 50% good rating. Recent upload even. Eng... I feel so proud to be a mapper. What the?! :eek: Only three downloads?!

Oh, and also Ntwarr, every time you download you would notice several download mirrors so basically your maps are spread everywhere right after your map is claimed and then posted here on NC3. And also, guys who take maps from a site and send them to another are called "porters". Is that right? Of course it is. By the way... I hope someone sees the Custom UT suggestion I posted there in DarkSoldiers Forum... it could attract somebody you know...

Ntwarr
13th Oct 2004, 06:54 PM
Wow... my Condor Base is in UTCMS too... not to mention my geeky annoying real name... and a 50% bad and 50% good rating. Recent upload even. Eng... I feel so proud to be a mapper. What the?! :eek: Only three downloads?!

Oh, and also Ntwarr, every time you download you would notice several download mirrors so basically your maps are spread everywhere right after your map is claimed and then posted here on NC3. And also, guys who take maps from a site and send them to another are called "porters". Is that right? Of course it is. By the way... I hope someone sees the Custom UT suggestion I posted there in DarkSoldiers Forum... it could attract somebody you know...

cool thanks
He says that he found them on a ftp site i have the link ftp://ftp.edome.net
But i can't find anything are you sure that you found them here? :mad: :mad: :mad: I checked all the folders nothing

Btw i have sumbited the Dics to help creat the thing

Varpu
13th Oct 2004, 10:31 PM
cool thanks
He says that he found them on a ftp site i have the link ftp://ftp.edome.net
But i can't find anything are you sure that you found them here? :mad: :mad: :mad: I checked all the folders nothing

Btw i have sumbited the Dics to help creat the thing
Try ftp://ftp.edome.net/mirror/beyondunreal/nalicity/

Ntwarr
14th Oct 2004, 07:02 PM
I can't see anything is there some sorta password?
Please visit forum -> Added new sections

HOLY **** theres alot on here hehehe i fell all powerful!