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{UFF}HAMMERSTIEN
13th Sep 2004, 05:57 PM
Ok this is a idear thats been kicked around alot in the community as most long time vet's to Da would like to see this in game . Not to replace co-op but to enhance and help DaII grab some new players who like that format of game play . With a vote option in game like on ut2k4 now so u can change game type with out having to change servers so if u have more players wanting to play PVP or PVB then server will change to that and then back again next time if players want

FluXs
13th Sep 2004, 06:07 PM
All votes from community are welcome on this, made sticky too

{UFF}HAMMERSTIEN
13th Sep 2004, 06:15 PM
thx 4 ur stickying this one fluxie
:D

spec_x
14th Sep 2004, 01:34 PM
brwar brwar brwar brwar

NFXFSX
14th Sep 2004, 08:45 PM
Go for it.

FluXs
15th Sep 2004, 07:53 PM
tits!


why so many ppl want it released asap? people will play it for a few days then give up on it after they finished with the coop. pvp will aleast give it the chance for people to keep playing the game for a lot longer after.

spec_x
15th Sep 2004, 07:56 PM
it doesn't say come out asap, just released in general, there's a difference :P

FluXs
16th Sep 2004, 05:53 PM
FluXs -> :instagib: <- spec_x

aBsOlUt -> :-) :boom: <- Hamma


Rest of ppl -> :crazydance:

spec_x
16th Sep 2004, 05:56 PM
you have way too much time on your hands my friend :)

Cribban
16th Sep 2004, 06:25 PM
voted for the old coop feeling, player vs AI, no player VS player:P that sux :mad:

FluXs
16th Sep 2004, 07:12 PM
i just point out that it wouldnt replace co-op but be another game mode....

After a few months of co-op i would like to take on a few human players instead :)

mainly this is to get feedback on how many people would support the idea of having a pvp mode as well as good old co-op :)

Hellhound
17th Sep 2004, 04:12 AM
i just point out that it wouldnt replace co-op but be another game mode....

After a few months of co-op i would like to take on a few human players instead :)

mainly this is to get feedback on how many people would support the idea of having a pvp mode as well as good old co-op :)

PvP is good idea, but in my opinion it hasn't to be in the first release.
I like DA2 for the CO-OP mode.
Maybe it would catch some more people, but than there should be at least 5 different weapons and maps (don't know how much you have done yet).
Otherwise the PvP fun is gone fast.
Also would it be cool to play the alienrace with their weapons etc. (hasn't to be in the first PvP release)
I can't believe that its easy to create maps which you can play against humans or AI with nearly the same fun.

MaCuZ
19th Sep 2004, 05:42 AM
a lot of servers would choose hvh because of the lag you can get with hvb, that would mean people would play hvh a lot more and that gives away the idea of the original DA.
AND I JUST ****ING HATE HVH! :P

{UFF}HAMMERSTIEN
19th Sep 2004, 06:42 PM
yep but if ya got game mode vote on servers as well then u play wot u want

Jig
21st Sep 2004, 01:17 PM
PvB, the true gametype.

MaCuZ
22nd Sep 2004, 09:20 AM
I don't agree with the setup of the poll. And i think im not the only one thinking this. the 4th option is total crap, the 3rd is like, if you don't care, don't vote.

Thejackal
22nd Sep 2004, 11:14 AM
the 4th is just a bit of fun, the third is alright, people dont have to have a strong opinion.. as long as theres feedback we know that people are actualy around and we can get an idea of the results, if not then we wouldnt know if people just werent voting

{UFF}HAMMERSTIEN
22nd Sep 2004, 01:12 PM
the 4th one was put there just 4 jackie

Thejackal
22nd Sep 2004, 02:12 PM
;)

BobTheFish
23rd Sep 2004, 01:26 AM
Well I think PvP could work but it would mean there would need to be a lot of players ingame for it to work.

PvB is definitely preferred as far as I'm concerned. And if bot allies are in (i.e. players and a couple bots versus alien bots), that's even better because it means I can play it in single player or just with a couple of mates on the LAN as well :)

FluXs
24th Sep 2004, 10:15 AM
Yep, DA2 will feature allied bot support so you can play Single Player

{UFF}HAMMERSTIEN
25th Sep 2004, 12:21 PM
/me dances with candles

TheStankOne
15th Oct 2004, 11:54 AM
Hey all,

Gotta put in my two cents, and ask a question. First of all, I really want this mod to be PvB. That is what it was originally, and should stay. There are TONS of PvP mods out there, heaven forbid this one stay original! Isn't that the whole point of Defence Alliance..... to be on a defensive team? I would hate this mod to turn into another run of the mill player vs. player assault map.

Now, for the question. I am not sure what exactly the aliens will be, but from the game description it would seem its a small band of humans versus a huge wad of aliens. Now, if you let the humans play aliens, how is this going to change things? You aren't going to make an alien unit equal to the player unit are you? What I am trying to ask is, even if players are the aliens, is it still going to be balanced out as a big wad of weaker units versus the small band of human players? If it was like that, PvP won't be so bad in my opinion I guess... but if it ends up turning into another copy of Assault, that would suck.

~TheStank

{UFF}HAMMERSTIEN
15th Oct 2004, 02:44 PM
i think that the aliens will have tougher leader classes which the players could be as well as the standared weaker unit .the players on aliens side should have bot surport to get the hords of alien attackers

FluXs
15th Oct 2004, 06:37 PM
well in a PvP match it would be equal teams, but balanced via mutators to make it fair play :)

the main scope is still PvB :D


What i can tell you is that during are Alpha testing we found the "hordes" of bots not very fun.

There was too much weapons fire. they moved too fast and everything in general just lagged. What we have decided is

1) Reduce the numbers of the enemy to more managable numbers
2) Increase their Armour, AI and model detail
3) Reduce their speed to match the increased armour levels

As i tell you. One thing in DA:UT everybody hated was the single lone bot getting through. Now you will have fewer targers moving at a much slower pace.

This may sound easy and not fun; but take into account they are heavily armoured and gunned, its going to need team work from your bunkers to concentrate fire on the enemy to take them down; plus they two will be using cover for protection - no more running in straight lines. \o/ Also we want to make certain enemy bots take up firing postions on hills or in rubble to help give covering fire to their team mates.

What we should end up with is more intelligent heavily armoured and gunned enemies moving in a more strategic fashion. As the currently mode of having 30 Bots bouncing and jumping over each other in random directions shooting constantly looks and feels ugly... :D

HyLaNdEr25k
15th Oct 2004, 07:48 PM
Now im no veteran to DA, so i wouldnt know much. But imo, PvP for this game could kinda kill it.I think that there should be enough aliens JUST to overwhelm the marines, and give them a small chance of survival. To make things intresting that is. I think being able to fully cooperate with the other humans players is essential. I dont have UT 2k4 yet, but from what i hear, the invasion mode is very overlooked. I think thats kind of cool. I guess one of the things is, I just wat to kinda be able to play, and have a good time. After all...AI aliens dont call you a newb...right?

:enforcer:
:rl:
:ripper:

{UFF}HAMMERSTIEN
16th Oct 2004, 05:16 AM
played invasion to death it is a cheap version of old da just whish that rpg mod hadn't come out is just to gay and makes it to easy

FluXs
16th Oct 2004, 05:47 AM
if you are worried about pvp dont, its something we will try to code into DA2 but will not be a playable mode untill much later. for me pvp mode will allow me to play as the Aliens to test out certain events and see how the game spans out for the attackers... debug mode \o/

HyLaNdEr25k
16th Oct 2004, 04:26 PM
well, this will definently be worth the wait. IMO, take your time. Its better than rushing and coming out with a ****ty game. I can wate....barely.

TheStankOne
16th Oct 2004, 07:33 PM
Heh, thanks Flux, you got rid of some of my fears. :)

Although I guess I also had a slightly different view on what this mod would be. At first I thought it would play out kind of like starship troopers, with humans mowing down wads of monsters trying to get into the base, except now it seems like the aliens will be more on a technology level, which is cool too.

Do all of the aliens have weapons? It seemed like a concern of yours is that having a giant wad of aliens, all with guns, its pretty crazy, and I would agree. However, having a low tech primitive type of alien could fix that, one that only has a melee attack, so you won't have to worry about mass projectiles flying everywhere. Not to make EVERY monster like this, but just to add in a new one for more options.

Ah well, I am sure you mod guys are sick of us constantly throwing in new stuff. :lol: I'll be looking forward to the mod's release.

~TheStank

HyLaNdEr25k
19th Oct 2004, 03:14 PM
^^ that sounds like a cool idea. Like a beam sword or something, like a laser dagger ....oh knife fights :stick: That would be ACE. But yeah, in all truthfullness that sounds like a good idea. Have the majority of aliens gun toters, then have several have some kinda melee attack, to spice things up. NOW THAT would definently spice it up. But no matter how this mod comes out, Its gonna be good.

If you can't beat em....snipe em :sniper: