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Nalid
11th May 2004, 04:53 AM
Come onnnnn, just look at that Skarjj model, it screams to have a Predator skin. Or for that matter, someone tweak it and make a predator model! I'm a huge fan and I always used the old Pred model in the origonal UT, including voicepack... and I have been on the tips of my toes waiting for someone to make the new pred skin/model. And with the new movie soon to come out, you had better belive its going to be popular. Someone please do me, and everyone else the huge favor of taking this project on... I love 2k4 but I miss my old Predator. o_O!

I looked all over the web, at all the UTk4 Model/Skin sites and by far I think the people here are the most talented and creative. I would want no one else to work on it. :p

Sincerly,
Yaut'ja

Nalid
11th May 2004, 04:55 AM
Oops, just noticed someone already started a thread asking for one, albiet a oneliner. None the less sorry for the dual thread.

BabyEater
11th May 2004, 08:06 AM
I might be willing to give this a go when my new pack is done. Can you post some quality pics?

Slaughter
11th May 2004, 08:59 AM
Maybe we could work together?
I´ll do the model...and you´ll skin it :lol:

SaD
11th May 2004, 10:07 AM
Maybe we could work together?
I´ll do the model...and you´ll skin it :lol:

Great , and after that starting the Community- (without the community in the name) thing :D

BabyEater
11th May 2004, 10:25 AM
I'm totally game for that. Never had the chance to skin anything from scratch before.

=NS= Spectre
11th May 2004, 11:55 AM
I'm currenly workin on a model for the yaut'ja, although it taking me a while since ive never modelled for UT before...but anyways...here's some reference pics.

http://sauldraaku.freeservers.com/predator.jpg

http://sauldraaku.freeservers.com/pred3.jpg

Nalid
11th May 2004, 05:21 PM
Awsome news! Man, its great to know some of the hardcores out there are looking into this. I don't want to flood the thread with images, so I will just link the pages to a few decent pics, and even a great movie clip or two from the up-comming movie that may or may not be publicly assecible. (I'm a dork and I've been keeping up with the movie progress since they started, and got acess to alot of promo's :p.)

Small, but nicely detailed picture.
http://www.vvinyl.com/toys/mm6/predator.jpg

Kinda shabby on the detail, but a pretty staight up body shot.
http://www.oohyeahzone.com/collection/trinity-predator.jpg

A look at the armor styles of different castes... or in our case different skins. :p
http://home.earthlink.net/~lsiuwai/images/maniacs/predator.jpg

Too small to get much detail out of, but cool none the less.
http://darkstar-sifi.co.uk/images/action_figures/movie_maniacs_action_figures/mm6/predator.jpg

Head looks silly.. but the details on the gloves, bracers, and ecspecialy the feet is very nice.
http://www.onlyinternet.net/dscreations/PREDATOR.jpg

This is the Heavy (Assault Class) Predator,
Hands are a tad tiny in the picture due to an odd camera angle.. but great quality.
http://www.avp-movie.com/us/flash/wallpapers/avp02/1024.html

Nice image of shoulder armor and sheathed handblades. (Though unrealistic, you should leave them out in the model ~_^. They just look too cool to hide.)
http://www.avp-movie.com/us/flash/wallpapers/avp06/1024.html

GREAT look at the texture of the Mask and the Dreads.
http://www.avp-movie.com/us/flash/wallpapers/avp01/1280.html

Click on English and go to the Trailers and Video's section. The clips withen are a host of Grade A examples and idea's. I very much recomend.
http://www.avp-movie.com/
(70% Chance that site might be down, I think they are changing something.)

Another close up on the Mask, even better quality (ecspecialy on the Dreads)
http://www.killermovies.com/gallery/alienvspredator/0_poster.html

I'll post more later if I can, a storm is raging outside and if the power flickers after looking for all of this, something is going to get broken. Monitor to Boot action.

Thanks for the intrest, I can't wait to see the results!

BabyEater
11th May 2004, 05:27 PM
Hrmm... The Skaarj models are just so terribly one-way. I suppose it may be possible to work something out, but I'm not sure how convincing it would be. It may end up just looking like a fruity Skaarj. Take the tusks, for instance, they can't be transparent because it leaves holes in the neck. How dumb is that?

Or at least that was my experience. Someone let me know if I'm incorrect.

Nalid
11th May 2004, 05:30 PM
Oh.. quick few notes on some things for anyone not too familier with them apart from those pictures.

1. The dreads are not usualy flailing in the air like in 90% of those images. Those are action shots and they tend to always do that. Might want to include them bobbing/swaying on the model if you can.

2. Please... Please if your a fan of the upcomming movie, do not use the wierd skullface pred mask for the model. Its .. uhh interesting.. but I and most people I think will prefer the oldschool ones. (Which are also in the movie anyways.)

And a few questions...

1. Is it at all possible to make more than one place a weapon slot? I was thinking the Shock Gun firing from the shoulder mounted cannon would be beyond wicked... but the other weapons firing from that location would seem a bit silly. Can weapon specific slots be made?

2. Is there any way to mod a special invisibility adrenalin so that it looks more pred esq?

Silly, and unimportant questions I know.. but I don't know the limitations of UT2k4 ED and I'm pretty excited.

Ok, thats all again, my friends thunder and lighting outside are telling my its time to powerdown my computer. Later all.. see you tommarow.

=NS= Spectre
11th May 2004, 05:38 PM
Like i said, ive been working on a complete new model....slowly, and its only about 15% done. Its a masked Yaut'ja, with the original style mask. Im not gonna be putting the plasma caster on this model myself, but if and when its finished, ill release the model for people to add and change what they like. But again, its taking a while, so dont hold your breaths lol. :lol:
If there are any seasoned modellors out there willing to take on the challenge, please please do, you'll probably do a better job in half the time, and there are plenty of Yaut'ja fans who will be willing to help the skinning etc ;)

Nalid
11th May 2004, 09:39 PM
Yup.. you can even tell someone in Epic is a fan.. I mean come on.. The Skarrj? Dreadlocks..Giant Wristblades.. splotchy quasi-reptilian skin...tusks... Toss a mask on and lop off the tail and Bwammo... you've got yourself a Pred. Not that I'm denouncig thier creativity... just noting a few resemblances that may or may not be fandom. Either way I think their both great. And rock on Spectre.. I'm lookng foward to it, even if someone else starts another model (the more the merrier) don't drop yours... a clan made entirly of assorted Preds is a wicked scary thought.. and its one I like.

=NS= Spectre
11th May 2004, 10:51 PM
Agreed, i too have definatly noticed the skaarj/yautja resemblance. I remember first playing the original UT ans noticing the resemblance then.
I do think a new model is required tho, and not just a reskinned skaarj, it just wouldnt go right i think. And for those interested there is an AvP mod released for UT04 with Yautja and Xenomorph models, but the Yautja were just a little skrawny for my taste :(

Nalid
11th May 2004, 11:25 PM
Could you drop a link to it?

Slaughter
12th May 2004, 09:46 AM
I saw the Movies and played the games...sry to sound like a noob but what´s an Yautja?
Specific Clan of Predators?


Hrmm... The Skaarj models are just so terribly one-way. I suppose it may be possible to work something out, but I'm not sure how convincing it would be. It may end up just looking like a fruity Skaarj. Take the tusks, for instance, they can't be transparent because it leaves holes in the neck. How dumb is that?

That´s why i want to create a new model :)

=NS= Spectre
12th May 2004, 11:39 AM
The Yaut'ja ARE the predators...its the name of there species :D

Nalid
12th May 2004, 01:15 PM
If your reeeaallyy a dork.. like some of us ^_~ You have read one or all of the three paperback novels on the subject.. Great reads.... I suggest. (Except the second one.. bad writter) It goes into alot of detail about thier culture we never see.. and one of the things they explain is that like we call ourselves Humans, they call themselves Yaut'ja.

=NS= Spectre
12th May 2004, 02:04 PM
I've read them all :rolleyes: so shoot me why don't ya :lol:

BabyEater
12th May 2004, 07:06 PM
Hey now. I really am a dork, and I've never read those. I'm officially offended. ::goes back to reading Harry Potter and StarWars novels::

=NS= Spectre
12th May 2004, 07:40 PM
Done Starwars, i have to draw the line at Harry Potter though :rolleyes:

BabyEater
12th May 2004, 09:00 PM
Oh man. You're missin' out. There's Yaut'ja all over Harry Potter. :D

=NS= Spectre
12th May 2004, 10:37 PM
:lol: if only that was the case, that Harry Potter needs some candy Yaut'ja style

Nalid
14th May 2004, 11:56 AM
<Laughs his arse off>

Every chump knows about the Potter Yaut'ja....

But did you see the cameo in Rainbow Bright?



Wait.... wait it was a joke... hey put the brick down.... guys.. come on.. it was a jo- *CRACK*

Man, I'm hyped about this.. I can't wait to see what everyone comes up with... is there any way I can help? I don't know how to model or skin (Though I really.. want to learn.) But I can go-for pretty well... I'm also not too shabby a 2D artist... Though I'm not sure how that will help much other than maybe designing the layouts for those odd spots you just never see.. Or just going for something origonal. <shrugs> Hell, I can add enthusiasm?

=NS= Spectre
14th May 2004, 02:39 PM
What i could really do with, is someone to do a portrait and profile pic of a Yautja (as reference guides in maya). Ive done some myself but well.....theyre crap :lol: .
So if any of you 2d artists could do this it 'may' make my modelling the Yautja easier (no guarentees, i dont wanna be lynched if i can't pull this off to a reasonable level)

Nalid
14th May 2004, 03:54 PM
<Raises hand> Hey... I can give it a try.... But no promises.. I don't want to get lynched either.... Do you want basic arms spread front shot, with an armless profile, arm drawn seperatly to the side?

Also... how do you post images 'into' the forum post, much like you (spectre) did for the earlier Yaut'ja shots? I've got a promo (lol) Image for that other thread labeled Co-Something... (tired) To use as an example...

=NS= Spectre
14th May 2004, 06:37 PM
Yep thats exactly what i need :), and with the mask on, since i know thats gotta be easier than modelling a Yaut'ja head :lol:
And, with regard to posting images, i just click the little pic that look like 2 mountains on a yellow background (also know as the 'insert image' icon :lol:), but you need your images to be hosted on another site first, like freeservers or geocities or something. Oh, and the icon is only found if you do a proper reply, its not on the quick reply thingy.

Nalid
15th May 2004, 04:35 AM
Hey cool... thanks, I'll nag one of my friends into hosting a few things for me.. As for the the Pred I'm done with the frontal shot, two shots of the bracers, and and extra foot.... I'll get it up as soon as I can finish a profile, and maybe a few extra detail snipits... It probably doesn't have as much detail as you need, but I was trying to go for proportion and placement more than anything... Its neigh impossible to find the closeups I need to give as much detail as I want.. ((I wish I still had my damn pred toys/models from the way back when o_O, those things were frick'n cool. :p))

Nalid
15th May 2004, 05:35 AM
This is the best upclose of the armor detail I have seen... I'm also going to send the link to the site it was on. I'm not sure what language its in but it has more images than I've seen aannyywhheree.. Just go to the Galeria section..

http://predator.absoluteavp.com/


http://predator.absoluteavp.com/modele/avp03.jpg

SaD
15th May 2004, 10:18 AM
... I'm not sure what language its in ..]

It´s from Poland . Here is a short info about the site in english: http://predator.absoluteavp.com/eng.htm .

Nalid
16th May 2004, 04:11 AM
Ahh thanks heheh I never got that message somehow.. I guess I came through a backdoor or something..

*Shrugs*

Nalid
12th Jun 2004, 11:45 AM
Sorry I've been gone so long... my Scanner is a pile of plastic shrapnal.. so needless to say I can't upload that Pred image I promised...

~_~


On the bright side.. I do have this to offer for anyone still working on the project... Enjoy.


http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_exclusive/large.html

Nalid
29th Aug 2004, 09:57 AM
Heyyyyy scanner is -still- a box-o-junk.... but hey, with the AVP movie out and about, is their any renewed intrest in this subject?

Lei Hng Wei
29th Aug 2004, 10:29 AM
You could always check out how EvilEngine is coming along with his (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5473885#post5473885) efforts.

Darth_Chaos
29th Aug 2004, 10:37 AM
I was just about to get to that LHW. EE is already working on one but the more preds the better :D.

Lei Hng Wei
29th Aug 2004, 06:56 PM
I'd also like to see an update to the Aliens/Xenomorphs. Especially if karma was added to animate the Queen's extra arms and their tails (like Hide's catgirls (http://skincity.beyondunreal.com/?section=models&action=show_infos&id=364)). After watching the Mars Attacks Martian (http://skincity.beyondunreal.com/?section=models&action=show_infos&id=425&PHPSESSID=d8e584061af56839182f91855f401939), one can even animate the jaws and tongue when idle.

IE. La de dah. <open> <extend> <retract> Hisssss...

Darth_Chaos
29th Aug 2004, 07:02 PM
Sounds like a good idea and things could get a lot better in the future :D.

Nalid
30th Aug 2004, 06:22 AM
Aye, Evil's work looks great, I hope he puts it out soon. On the note of Xeno's.... a Xeno Mod for the Invasion gametype would rock.... Blasting at hoards of aliens crawling out of every nook and crany with your friends, back to back.

Speaking of which, so far as I've seen, the AVP engine is the only one to ever full on let you walk/crawl on walls, ceilings and whatever else... I really wish they would release a new game, nothings more fun than hissing in the ear of some player online because he didn't notice you crawling down the wall behind him... *Chomp* Headshot. :D The Doom 3 engine would be perfect, but its too damn laggy, even on a decent rig. =/



Annnnyyywhoo back on subject, I agree... the more the merrier. Bring on the Preds. :D

Darth_Chaos
30th Aug 2004, 10:14 AM
Well hopefully EE will finish the pred project otherwise we can jsut get the cattle prod :D.