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Scragged
17th Feb 2000, 03:03 AM
Will I get Win2k

Hmm.

Not at £99 for an NT upgrade, £170 for a Win95/98 upgrade or £270 for the full thing I won't. Especially when the package itself says it doesn't recommend it for home users.

I'll stick with what's working and try and get Linux going as well (and yes, I'm having as many problems as anyone else - 120x100 resolution in KDE anyone? I can just make out the "K").

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tykeal
17th Feb 2000, 03:38 AM
*snicker* Scragged, I think it's a common problem to have with getting a Linux box up for the first time if your not used to it.

I think my orginal vid card didn't want to do more than 640X480 ever in Linux /~unreal/ubb/html/wink.gif There's a lot of work arounds depending upon the card. If you're sick of reading HOWTO's try http://www.searchlinux.com it's a portal into the Linux newsgroups. Do a search for your specific Vid card, you have a high likelyhood of actually getting a hit back

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CYBER PETE |PuF
17th Feb 2000, 11:32 AM
Today Win2k is available for retail sale.

Any of you plan on upgrading any time soon?

I've had a copy of full version for about a month. I run Windows NT for stability and I really can't stand 98 (too unstable) so this was a good upgrade for me since it has stability, directx7, and IE5 without having to run any upgrades or service packs. Adaptec easy cd creator also worked fine once I got the update for win2k from thier web site.

I was really liking WIN2K until I tried to play UT. I have a Rage128 and every 2nd or 3rd time I attempt to load UT my box reboots!!!! It's not just me either because a co-worker with a Rage128 has the same problem under win2k. Hopefully now that it's out ATI will release some updated drivers.

Anyone else had any luck win2k and UT?

Rooster
17th Feb 2000, 11:34 AM
I'm interested in hearing about this, cause I've had the final available for a while now, but nervous about trying it out. I don't really wanna wipe out my system (yes, I could do a multiple boot if I really wanted) and find out UT runs like crap.

p.s. I dont have an ATI card (ick!)- V3 3000AGP.

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Taskmaster
17th Feb 2000, 11:36 AM
Yeah, so what... WIndows 98 and Window Nt are for sale and you don't hear me yealling about it! /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif

Just kidding! I didn't think it was going to be commercially avaiable this soon (sooon is relative with Microsoft).


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Rooster
17th Feb 2000, 11:38 AM
Feb 17th has been the release date since the last century. Where were you?

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Zaccix
17th Feb 2000, 11:52 AM
The shipping party at the end of last year was apparently a blast 'n all.


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Claude_Ballz
17th Feb 2000, 11:57 AM
When Win98 came out, I rushed right out and got it the day it came out ... MISTAKE. I think I'm gonna wait for ALOT of feedback before I upgrade.... and give Microsoft time to work out all the bugs (not that they would release a product with any bugs in it).

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CHRYSt
17th Feb 2000, 12:01 PM
bugs? check this out
http://www.maximumpc.com/content/2000/02/12/10766

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Selerox[PuF]
17th Feb 2000, 12:01 PM
Windows2000 is out. But Linux is in... /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif

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CrapMonger
17th Feb 2000, 01:39 PM
YEAH!

Now that Win2K is out I can upgrade my PC even further!

I wanted to go dual p600s but didn't want to get NT that much, now going DUAL 600s BABY! /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif

Now well see how UT runs with that!

Wow, that is a lot of bugs Chryst!!!
i don't know if i really want to run out and get it yet...
well see what happens first
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jenny?
17th Feb 2000, 01:51 PM
When I heard about Winblows2000 coming out, I installed RedHat Linux 6.1. /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif Which reminds me, anybody here good with Linux? I'm having some serious problems and don't have anybody to turn to.. I've looked at a billion how-to's and books, but still can't figure some stuff out. /~unreal/ubb/html/frown.gif

Drop me an email if you can help. /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif

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CHRYSt
17th Feb 2000, 01:57 PM
I really wish I had the time to sit down and learn some Linux

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CYBER PETE |PuF
17th Feb 2000, 02:10 PM
CHRYST, I read the same article that you posted and that is indeed a lot of bugs.

I will tell all of you from my own personal experience WIN2K is the best OS I've used to date. The instalation was flawless and the look and feel has never been better.

Once ATI gets releases a good drivers for UT it will be the only OS that I'll have installed.

As for Linux, does it have DSL modem support?

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jenny?
17th Feb 2000, 02:26 PM
Oh yah, to anybody who may have attempted to email me because of my Linux plights: I just remembered that slackers.net (my email addy) is down, so if you were goodly enough to help please re-send to limpy@netway.com /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif

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CHRYSt
17th Feb 2000, 04:29 PM
Pete, I know. I've been using win2k since beta2. The professional (desktop) version has been the most solid MS OS I've ever seen. I'm not going to break all my software compatibility until a service pack or 2 tho.

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Temporary Account
17th Feb 2000, 05:30 PM
Here's a little banner I made last year /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif

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CYBER PETE |PuF
17th Feb 2000, 06:32 PM
No doubt CHRYST, Service Packs are key.

I will tell you this though. If you attempt to install any software and it says "this program is not meant to run on this os" just click on the details tab.

I did it for Adaptec Easy CD Creator and it took me to web link that had a WINK2 patch! I was very impressed and it's worked like a champ ever since!

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Capital
18th Feb 2000, 04:20 AM
Just another example of how Microsoft just can't get it right, at least for us gamers. Microsoft has already stated that Windows 2000 is not a gaming platform just as they did for Windows NT 4.0, so expect just as much support for 2000 as they gave to NT 4. Sure with direct x and game developer support it will support its share of games but it will never be the ideal gaming OS. Microsoft has already stated that Windows Millenium will be the next gaming platform so with that in mind why would they want to offer any support for Windows 2000 as a gaming platform? That would only screw up their marketing and confuse their target consumers. The thing that really pisses me off about the whole thing is that Windows Millenium will not support SMP!!! WTF???

Firm Pete
18th Feb 2000, 11:29 AM
If you're a gamer, and you are otherwise you wouldn't be reading this, you better stick to 98 or 98SE
Allthough a lot of games run on Win2K and NT, they were designed for stability and security and not as a gaming platform. They rely far to heavy on system resources to run a good game on anything less then a PII 300.

On the same system games running under Win2k or NT ARE slower than on Win98. So if it's games you want: make it a dualboot and run Win98.

[NBK]Beavis
19th Feb 2000, 01:01 AM
Crapmonger, UT will probably run the same on one CPU system as a million CPU system. Unless it has specifically been designed and compiled to take advantage of 2+ CPUs, you won't see squat.

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Rooster
19th Feb 2000, 03:11 AM
Right. That's called multi-threaded. And we covered this in depth earlier this week. Just ask Bendit. /~unreal/ubb/html/wink.gif

Carry on.

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XxBonesxX
19th Feb 2000, 03:19 AM
I hear its got more bugs in it then a condemed building in New York has in it!!

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overkill1
19th Feb 2000, 10:10 AM
Don't even bother installing win2k.
I've tried it about 6 times, and it
never worked out. It even messed up
the FAT of 1 of my HD's (yeah, all data
lost. ;( )
I've tried everything;
* Multiboot with win98SE.
At 1st reboot all looked good, got
the multiboot menu, setup win2k.
Reboot. Nothing...
* Clean HD and installed from CD-rom.
Everything looked alright. DX7, video-
card drivers all worked nice.
at 2nd reboot, nothing again.
* Clean HD / NTFS5
Nothing.
* Turned off all DMA. (only 1 HD/CD-rom
in system and all SCSI out of system)
* NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* I've tried both win2k pro. & advanded
server.

I've had NT4 with Win95/win98 no problemo..

<sigh>

13-Acadius
19th Feb 2000, 05:25 PM
JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW.......WIN2K IS NOT FOR GAMES. IT's STRICTLY BUISNESS ORIENTED. IF YOU TRY TO PLAY UT ON IT YOU WILL GET DEGRADED PERFORMACE!

Zaccix
19th Feb 2000, 05:48 PM
/me removes earplugs.

Carry on.


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7ReDeeMeR7
19th Feb 2000, 09:25 PM
Yeah you Linux dorks like it so much and rag on Windows then you turn around and whine PLEASE HELP ME I CANT GET THIS AND THAT TO WORK!!! Yeah Linux is sooooo great you friggin idiots!

jenny?
19th Feb 2000, 10:00 PM
Um, while Linux is a pain in the *** to get working (or at least for me it is, has been, and probably will remain one for a while), it's a hell of a lot more stable than Winblows. Once you get all your stuff working you're golden (or at least my friends who use and swear by it claim this). With Windows, I couldn't even begin to tell you how many times I've had to reinstall it trying to get everything to work properly. In short, shut your hole if you don't know what you're talking about.

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7ReDeeMeR7
19th Feb 2000, 11:18 PM
Ummm I got windows up and running on countless systems with no and I mean no problems. linsux on the other hand is ill supported overated mismash of countless programmer wannabes doing so called improvements. Ha I know what I am talking about. Do you. By the way what system do you use to post in these forums as we speak now? Hmmmmmmm? I bet you use windows to play your games don't you?

CYBER PETE |PuF
19th Feb 2000, 11:42 PM
In reply to all of you who read the article on the 60,000 bugs in WIN2K check out the following taken from an article I read that gives you low down on the so called "bugs"

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More cold water was dashed over the Windows 2000 launch when a trade publication reported that an internal Microsoft memo complained of 63,000 “potential known defects” in the product. Craig Beilinson, a lead product manager for Windows, did not dispute the existence of the memo but said the conclusions drawn by the story were “completely inaccurate.”
He said the startling figure was based on a cursory check of the product’s 35 million lines of software code with a tool that detects potential bugs, most of which are likely harmless.
“That’s like running the Microsoft Word grammar check on “The Great Gatsby,” he said. “Overall Windows 2000 is absolutely rock solid, and the technical press reviewers, analysts and customers have already declared that to be the case.”




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Zaccix
20th Feb 2000, 12:52 AM
At the moment I'm using UBB to post in these forums and I use the Unreal, Quake and Lithtech engines (to name a few) to play my games on.


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Capital
20th Feb 2000, 01:12 AM
Well just to contradict what I had posted earlier on this thread;

Ripped from the Bluesnews site,

"Windows 2000 Update [loonyboi-11:59 AM EST - Post a Comment]
Microsoft has released a Compatibility Update for Windows 2000 on their Windows Update site. The download, which takes about a minute on even the slowest connection, adds compatibility for a ton of applications and games, including Heretic II, Aliens vs. Predator, Myth II, Drakkan, Tomb Raider III and more."

So maybe there is more hope for Windows 2000 as a gaming platform than what I give it credit for, only time will tell...

VaShooter
20th Feb 2000, 01:45 AM
All this talk about this new O/S or that future O/S is ok, But we as "GAMERS" are being left out and manupulated. We are being forced to use something in this case an O/S really not intended for our purpose. What We as "GAMERS" need is a O/S designed soley for gaming. Not something for generalized desktop publishing ETC.... If M/S built a steamlined version of windows just for gaming it would be Rock solid consume 1/2 the overhead current O/S now do and would fly. Thats what we need. There are two ways to do things in this world:
1. Specalize do "1" thing and do it GREAT.
2. Generalize and do everything SO/SO...
Well we are having to live in a generalized world. And our Games and PATIENCE are suffering because of it.With a system like this on a dual partioned H/D and dual boot, when we wanted to play boot up into lets say WINGAMER 2000, then if we needed to do some mundane sorta thing shutdown and boot to win98, win2000 or whatever. There are alot of US GAMERS in this world, and if we voiced our opionions loud enough even BILLY BOY will look up and take notice. Especially when something like this would be easier for M/S to put together and it would be another product for them to retail. And I haven`t seen or heard of BILLY BOY turning his nose up at money Yet..

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Wile E Coyote
20th Feb 2000, 02:11 AM
A personalized gaming OS will never happen. So you are saying that all you use your computer for is play games? PC's are multi-purpose systems. Even dedicated "gamers" use theirs for other things too. Microsoft has been working diligently to help us. Why do you think they have DirectX? It's true they didn't want to support games at first, but they are now. The problem is the core used on Win95/98 which actually still runs partly on top of DOS. Win2000 totally gets rid of DOS, but it looks like it has other problems now. ugh....

Everyone needs to just start porting games to Linux!

VaShooter
20th Feb 2000, 02:43 AM
Your missing the point I tried to get across.
Why do you think the MHZ race is on for the fastest and baddest. For mom and pop kettle to do their e-mails with. Don`t think so..
It`s mainly because of and for us Gamers. look at how fast new O/S are coming out, do you remember how long we worked with plain DOS. How long it took for win 3.1 to come out. This market is working overtime just to cash in on MAINLY the gamers edge. Yes other things are benefiting from this tech. Better cad systems producing newer and higher tech products, aerospace the list goes on..But at this moment in time the hottest thing going is gamers, we have to have the fastest esp. when it goes to online gaming. You say an dedicated Gaming O/S will never happen, Why. If we as Gamers don`t voice our dissatisfaction over what we are having to use now it will not. Just look at it in a dollars and cents sorta way. If you are producing a product and discover that for a certain group of people you can sell a stripped down version which will fullfil their needs faster and with less aggrevation that you wouldn`t do it, I would in a heartbeat.
And to answer your other question "YES I built this system just for gaming" I own two business`s. I have busted my you know what all my life to get where I am now, The rest of my life on this planet is going to be for FUN...

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Temporary Account
20th Feb 2000, 05:19 AM
Gaming OS? One word. Playstation2.

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Capital
20th Feb 2000, 05:47 AM
Well I think a dedicated Gaming OS would be great. Although we will never see one, I would definitely have a dual boot system if there ever was one.

overkill1
20th Feb 2000, 10:33 AM
Hey i don't want an OS, i just want
to play unreal. /~unreal/ubb/html/wink.gif
Waiting for Unreal OS.

Selerox[PuF]
20th Feb 2000, 10:37 AM
You can run Windows and Linux side-by-side on the same system, so why couldn't you have one OS for doing normal stuff, with a seperate OS for games stuff and choose which one to use at start-up?

30 minutes to get to Adept...

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7ReDeeMeR7
20th Feb 2000, 10:43 AM
See you evade the question what OS do you use to be able to use UBB and so forth because you know your OS is Windows. Thats like saying I use Dunlop to drive my car not Ford. HAHAHAHa Windows rules and your a moron.

Selerox[PuF]
20th Feb 2000, 10:53 AM
Who is the moron? Cut the c**p, the windows vs Linux argument is almost as stupid as Q3 vs UT...

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7ReDeeMeR7
20th Feb 2000, 10:56 AM
I know I just like to stir up shiot

jenny?
20th Feb 2000, 11:08 AM
How well will you stir up "shiot" with my foot so far up yer *** that you can taste what color toenail polish I'm wearing? /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif Hehe sorry I couldn't resist.

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VaShooter
20th Feb 2000, 11:44 AM
Solerox, Xylene, thats the point I`m trying to get across. If we had available a streamlined and enhanced O/S for gaming on a dual boot system we could switch use regular O/S for work e-mails etc etc etc...But for gaming boot up to our gaming O/S and play away. Think about it, an O/S that would be enhanced for Gameplay, Consume 1/2 the overhead, the current O/S now do, And be alot more stable, because it would be designed for one thing Gaming.

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7ReDeeMeR7
20th Feb 2000, 12:30 PM
What worries me is the infatuation you all have with sticking things up each others A$$es. What's up with that? You all must havehidden gay desires. " oh 666demon boy do me ohhh ohhh ohhh!!!"

VaShooter
20th Feb 2000, 02:05 PM
Excuse you, I must think you are a little English Impaired. To make the statement "YOU ALL" implies anyone that post here. I think you need to edit your post and make that correction.................................


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7ReDeeMeR7
20th Feb 2000, 06:23 PM
No you read it right. I ment you also.

VaShooter
21st Feb 2000, 03:01 AM
Oh I see redeeeeemer, I apologize. At first I thought you were english Impaired Now I realize you are mentally Impaired. Wow foolish me making a mistake like that..Well since I always allow mentally impaired people to go about their little way I`ll no longer try to mix words with you...no sense dualing with an unarmed person...Have a nice day...

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Doom Trooper
21st Feb 2000, 11:32 AM
"How well will you stir up "shiot" with my foot so far up yer *** that you can taste what color toenail polish I'm wearing?"

for some reason, there is a part of me that actually wants to find this out.

*whacks himself in the head with a hammer*

I'll be good now.