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Sir_Brizz
9th Dec 2003, 02:53 AM
RAWKS!

that's all I have to say about that. I can't believe people are complaining about it being dumbed down...it's like exactly the same with a couple of options taken out. If Deus Ex was Chocolate Cheesecake with whipped cream topping and chocolate chips and hot fudge, then Deus Ex 2 is all the same without the chocoalte chips :)

RegularX
9th Dec 2003, 10:08 AM
Yeah, I'm with you Brizzy - I can't wait to get my hands on the full version after playing the demo.

I do think it's sad that Ion Storm couldn't muster a better PC release - seems very lazy to have bad ini setups between platforms, but it's not the worst crime in the world.

Hedge
9th Dec 2003, 12:15 PM
Ion Storm did something funny with the ini files in the final release. When you start the game a set you options in the menu, everything is cool, but then you start the game again, the menu is running at the default resolution. This problem really erked me until I loaded a saved game. Then all my saved settings came back. Does that make sense? It will only use your settings in the game, the menu will always use the default settings. I still very much like this game.

RegularX
9th Dec 2003, 12:28 PM
I heard the final version had many of the same problems as the demo, which is - in a word, dumb.

Make sure that your ini files aren't write protected. There's also several threads at the Ion Storm forums about tweaking the demo which may apply to the full game.

Anathema-
9th Dec 2003, 01:03 PM
I'm quite a ways into this game and I must say .. I love it!

Hedge
9th Dec 2003, 09:04 PM
Actually, I haven't found the problems that existed in the demo in the final version. Some of the things that people thought to be problems were really just Ion Storms weird way of doing things. I think some people just want to rip on the game because they a whinners and have nothing else to do.

Sir_Brizz
9th Dec 2003, 09:12 PM
I've loved everything aout this game so far. Especially the real time shadows (even though they sometimes drop me to 15fps :p).

I'm sure we'll be seeing a couple patches (or more) to fix the ini and things, It looks like they didn't have time to release any of the debugging code or anything before release...stupid Eidos must have been chomping at the bit with it.

Still it's a great game. I love it.

Cap'n Beeb
10th Dec 2003, 04:39 PM
I just did the

Get the goods on that guy smuggling stuff to the Tharsus(sp) lady for the WTO Captain

mission, damn fun so far.

Rocket_Magnet
28th Dec 2003, 02:10 PM
beer: aye that adds a faction into it, and the plot thickends...

i completed it one way, but theres a good few more to do yet

CiD
29th Dec 2003, 12:31 PM
it is a truly great game.ive found 5 endings so far(1 is kind of a joke,IMO).playing through again to see if there are any other variations to the story line.very addicting.

RegularX
25th Feb 2004, 12:41 PM
I'm nearing the end of the game now, my first run through.

Pros:

This is pure Deus Ex in terms of style of story. Complicated, but in a fun, nearly campy way - the multiple conspiracies and even the high brow philosophy is pure entertainment, not annoying dribble.

Immersion is quite high, and that "intimate" quality to the levels Spector spoke of is definately in full effect.

Production values for the voices, artwork, etc. seem quite high - and there's no skimping on work to allow for multiple outcomes to nearly any scenario, no matter how remote it might seem ( killing a character early in the game, etc )

Some of the tie-ins and inside jokes to the first game are glorious.

Combat is usually highly fun, especially later on in the game when you are properly bio-modded up and can seriously whup ass.

Cons:

Unified ammo can drain all your weapons at once.

Lack of skill tree lowers character development and flexibility.

Performance hog.


Overall, it's a good to great game. I argue heavily against people who say it's too short. If you beat this game in 10 hours, as I've heard some reviewers quote, you aren't seeing all of the game. This isn't a pure shooter, the goal isn't to get to the end as quickly as possible.

I can half agree with some of oversimplification complaints. The unified ammo is lamentable and the lack of Spector's innovative skill system is regrettable. I hacked around the ammo with a simple ini tweak that simply fills my ammo full when I pick up any clip. (I'm playing on realism mode and it's standard setting empties your ammo pretty much after any fight). The lack of skills isn't really a negative to the game as it plays, but if it were included it would expand the replayability even more.

I had no problems with the GUI or the Inventory screens at all.

I do regret that Ion Storm fiddled with the renderer so much. Yes, some of the scenes look great - but it caps the performance too much and was apparently the root cause of no DeusED being shipped. SP and side missions would be fun to make here.

tool
26th Feb 2004, 08:47 PM
I'm stuck on it, I am on the Germany level, the mission where you go to the templar church and have to get that infomation that is inside the church. I got the infomation but now I am lost. I can't seem to find the way back to the German city. :con:

RegularX
27th Feb 2004, 11:33 AM
You've saved Holiness/Donna? Or am I thinking the wrong place.

Also - did the Mag Rail secondary work for anyone? I swear I never shot through a single wall.

tool
27th Feb 2004, 07:44 PM
Ok I found out what to do. I never tried the mag rail, i'm afraid to because it might waste all my ammo.

Sir_Brizz
27th Feb 2004, 08:24 PM
I shot through the wall on the level in the airport place to get rid of people in the locked dock because I kept getting killed climbing up the ladder (where you save Paul).

Worked nicely I guess, it does waste all your ammo.

RegularX
28th Feb 2004, 11:52 AM
I hadn't realzied it was only EMP :)

SystemShock@dls.pipex
31st Jan 2006, 10:47 PM
The one thing that made me screem was no unreal ed for it ......
so no user made content...it locked up tighter then the crown gews ...fools....that the quickist way to hit the bargin bins.

wildfrogman
9th Feb 2006, 12:29 AM
lol, this brings back memories...from two years ago... Anyways, how'd you find a 2 year old thread?

Its a much better game once patched than when released, runs great on ati cards and is cheap yet makes you think a bit...weird storyline.

SystemShock@dls.pipex
20th Feb 2006, 02:56 PM
See the little robot dog...and the blue police phone box over there..

Angel_Mapper
20th Feb 2006, 08:56 PM
Deus Ex 2 was a pretty fun game, but the story wasn't that good. By the end I didn't really care who won.

ZippyDSMlee
27th Jan 2008, 04:17 AM
RAWKS!

that's all I have to say about that. I can't believe people are complaining about it being dumbed down...it's like exactly the same with a couple of options taken out. If Deus Ex was Chocolate Cheesecake with whipped cream topping and chocolate chips and hot fudge, then Deus Ex 2 is all the same without the chocoalte chips :)

they watered down the menus, the controls,the level design,the mods the bio mod (should I stop now)?

Sorry DX2 is a piss poor sequel but as bad as it is bioshock is 5X worse


and oy...I am nercoing old threads....ZOMG zippy should read!!
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Sir_Brizz
27th Jan 2008, 12:00 PM
It's a bad sequel but it's not a terrible game.

Bioshock isn't a sequel so I have no idea what comparison you're trying to make there.

[VaLkyR]Assassin
27th Jan 2008, 12:03 PM
I've enjoyed DX:IW enough to play it twice through - agreed it's a poor sequel, but it's an ok game by itself.

UBerserker
27th Jan 2008, 01:36 PM
Deus Ex 2 IW was terrible, a disappointment for sure :-)

And BioShock? A SS2 IW in my books.

Sir_Brizz
27th Jan 2008, 01:56 PM
Bioshock isn't a sequel.

SleepyHe4d
27th Jan 2008, 03:22 PM
Deus Ex 2 IW was terrible, a disappointment for sure :-)

And BioShock? A SS2 IW in my books.

Haha, so true. The thing is DE:IW wasn't only a terrible sequel, it was a terrible game, almost on the level of the worst games ever made. So was Bioshock sadly. :p

ZippyDSMlee
28th Jan 2008, 03:52 AM
It's a bad sequel but it's not a terrible game.

Bioshock isn't a sequel so I have no idea what comparison you're trying to make there.

What am I comparing BIoshock to?
First off SS2 because its made by the same dev team/house more or less.

2ndly:FPS/game evolution overt the years.

3rdly:Better designed FPS like Dark Messhia,DX:2,Undying,HL2even daikatana was fun in comparasion....


BS is sadly a sloppy simplistic gun and run FPS inspired by SS.

Assassin;2068212']I've enjoyed DX:IW enough to play it twice through - agreed it's a poor sequel, but it's an ok game by itself.

Bearly ok if they released the SD fckigng K it would have been fixed by the community the first year it was out.... I can't wait for the bioshock SDK....
frankly.....the game is such a pain to play even with the patch I might shelf it till the SDK comes out.......

Sir_Brizz
28th Jan 2008, 10:19 AM
That's all they ever said Bioshock was. Honestly, I think you just don't want to like it. It's gotten rave reviews from just about every review site and won game of the year in several places. Compared to other games this generation, it is a great game.

ZippyDSMlee
28th Jan 2008, 11:21 AM
That's all they ever said Bioshock was. Honestly, I think you just don't want to like it. It's gotten rave reviews from just about every review site and won game of the year in several places. Compared to other games this generation, it is a great game.

Ya if you are a drooling new game fan.....if you know anything about gaming its as lack luster as Jericho.... only people seem to realize Jericho stinks.....

Sir_Brizz
28th Jan 2008, 12:00 PM
I didn't like Jericho at all. But I thought Bioshock was a great game. I've been playing games for over 15 years, though I fail to see how that has any relevance.

ZippyDSMlee
28th Jan 2008, 12:05 PM
I didn't like Jericho at all. But I thought Bioshock was a great game. I've been playing games for over 15 years, though I fail to see how that has any relevance.

It gives you a idea of how games work and how they should work, bioshock is unfinished and hell out of the box the PC version is unplayable....

BS also have the weakest AI of any new FPS...well....maybe Jericho is worse theres just so much missed in BS I can not stand it in comparasion Dark messiah is more complete....

Mircea
29th May 2008, 07:44 PM
DeuxEx 2 was a good game viewed by itsself. Compared with the original DeusEx however... needless to say. It had a bit of excitment but yeah... not by far 25% of the adventure and suspense of the classic DeusEx. Neither was the music by far so awesome and amazing as in DX1.

Either way I always wondered if DX2 was made on the UT2 engine since 1 was made on the UT1 one. Guess it was then :)

ZippyDSMlee
29th May 2008, 09:20 PM
DeuxEx 2 was a good game viewed by itsself. Compared with the original DeusEx however... needless to say. It had a bit of excitment but yeah... not by far 25% of the adventure and suspense of the classic DeusEx. Neither was the music by far so awesome and amazing as in DX1.

Either way I always wondered if DX2 was made on the UT2 engine since 1 was made on the UT1 one. Guess it was then :)

It was but like Bioshock requires a SDK they "didn't have time for" and the saddest part BS did well yet they refuse to support it......

Blade_hunter
19th Jul 2008, 04:21 PM
DX 2 it's not a bad game, I agree, but for me it's only an average to good game for me, if someone have played to SS2 and DX 1. We can see only a better engine and physics, a good story, but an average gameplay.
An like many people when we compare both DX 1 is much better than it's sequel in therms of gameplay, do a first great game and propose later an average game, the gamers always prefers the previous titles.


Bioshock is a sort of system shock game, but without to be a sequel or a prequel, it's a bit like snowblind with the DX series, a sort of derivate series with the basic spirit of the previous games, but with an other gameplay.

I think the Unreal Engine is a great part of those games, but the engine isn't the thing that can make a great game.
When I sew the Chrome Engine it was impressive, but the game isn't good as a game like deus ex even if some ideas was interesting, and the game itself not bad

leilei
28th Jul 2008, 05:29 PM
I hated DX2, absolutely could not stand its 'new' look and feel that felt like I was playing some american saturday morning cartoon. The gameplay's pretty gimped too.
The only positive words i often see about it are GFX GFX GFX, which are actually pretty crap anyway (great lack of vertex weights, bad uvmaps, exaggerated ragdoll and general super slowness)

WedgeBob
7th Dec 2008, 01:35 PM
Well, I do have DX:IW, but I've got it hiding in the attic as a LAST RESORT game, for obvious reason. It would have to be one of the last games that I ever play again. I played it through once already, and probably won't be something that I'd pick up until there wasn't anything really new on the horizon. It was okay, but nothing exactly innovative, unlike the original Deus Ex.

ZippyDSMlee
7th Dec 2008, 03:00 PM
Well, I do have DX:IW, but I've got it hiding in the attic as a LAST RESORT game, for obvious reason. It would have to be one of the last games that I ever play again. I played it through once already, and probably won't be something that I'd pick up until there wasn't anything really new on the horizon. It was okay, but nothing exactly innovative, unlike the original Deus Ex.

If there was a SDK it would never leave my PC...and I can say the same for bioshock...