Weapons bumping into walls

No it doesn't...
others can't hear the clunk either, but this was replicated in ra286

Such bumping and accuracy issues have been discussed, sometimes very loudly. I believe most of it was lost in the great crash. Can't remember at what stage it ws at but it made for some interesting debates. It was also part of ths discussion on weither knocking and dropping weapons would cause enough damage for not only in accuracy but jamming and such.

Edit: This whole english thing is annoying.

Not to sound mean or anything....

But in real life how stupid are you if you run around sprinting an ram your gun into a wall????
How often have you every watched a military tape/video/movie an seen someone stumbling into a wall with a gun??? lol
answer......YOU DON'T!!!!!
In real life we have a thing called "Common Sence" (even tho like 80% of the world never uses it)....when you are running/walking/crawling/kneeling....its literally impossible to wack your gun on a wall (Let alone get it "Stuck" on one...one of the stupidest things i think in INF). Your own human reflexes stop you from doing so, Unless you are acting like a moron an purposely beating your weapons on objects for some sick demented satanic reason. lol

You would instinktively move the gun back/protect it/pull it to your chest....any number of things before ramming it on a wall/edge/ledge.
And yes this is my opinon....yet...in all the combat training i went through, never did i see ppl just randomly ramming guns into walls.....hell, they woulda been kicked out an never trusted with a weapon to begin with.

My 2 Cents

Remember [GD]]v[aelstrom: in Real Life you have something called space perception which continually tells your brain where all parts of your body are. Therefore soldiers don't whack their guns into walls. In a video game you don't have this and sometimes it's hard to tell if that gun on the screen will whack a crate as you turn around.

I don't know if I like the weapons hitting walls thing or not. It would be cool if you could use it to clobber people with your gun

well if trying to walk around a messy house with a guitar slung at your hip is any indication, then it might be semi-natural instict to keep it from banging into things, but keeping it aimed in the general direction you want it to while navigating and not hitting stuff is a different story. ;p

I'm guessing that the point maelstrom was trying to make was that while it is realistic for guns to be able to collide with things, in real life people who hold them don't let them run into things...

Perhaps it would be more realistic for inf to allow weapon collision, but also take the next step of having the avatar automatically and realistically lower/otherwise move his gun so it didn't bash against obstacles.

However, another point to consider would be that this approach could spoil the sense of immersion and realism immmensly if an overzealous lower-weapon script prevented a player from aiming his/her weapon during moments in battle where one should be able to fire.

I like how Vietcong handled the weapon collision. It pulled the weapon back. It would also be nice to be able to rest your weapon on objects. Well, I can dream anyway. I wonder if anything with the weapon collision was adjusted/fixed for 2.9? Anybody?

jaymian said:

I like how Vietcong handled the weapon collision. It pulled the weapon back. It would also be nice to be able to rest your weapon on objects. Well, I can dream anyway.

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How far exactly can you pull a weapon back if it's at your shoulder?

Real-time lighting + UT engine = bad. There's probably a way to fake it, but it'd be a lot easier with UT2k3. But of course, the collision will be completely redone for that, I assume.

I think part of the problem lies with the digital movement input, so you can't easily face a wall at 19degrees and walk along parallel to it, so people tend to push up againt the wall which gets your weapon stuck. But then, analog controls take a hell of a lot of getting used to for FPSs. I suppose if you used a gamepad for movement and the mouse for aiming and shooting...

>>How far exactly can you pull a weapon back if it's at your shoulder?

pretend that the soldier rotates his upper body so that the shoulder in question shifts back

But then you're in an unstable firing position, and even so, you'll only get another 20cm or so of movement at most.

no matter how much i like kitties, your sig is too big

You could unshoulder it. Although depending on how that is handled, it could get annoying when you get around things like crates or windows, where it would be hard to bring up to aim. All I know is, who gets their weapon stuck to a wall? That is the most annoying thing. It doesn't happen much to me now that I know to stay 5 fett from all walls. But at first it was a constant issue, and I know a lot of people who also had issues with it. Judging from the replies, I imagine nothing has been tweeked in this area.

some things:
The standard weapon collision doesn't get you stuck. Only the 'enhanced' version does. The weapon collision was integrated to let the player pay more attention to his movement. Means the "common sense" you have in real life to not bump your weapon into walls aso needs to be 'learned' in game again. Reason for this is to actually learn how 'long' your weapon is and to not let it stick out behind objects aso. The 3rd person models in UT do not allow a blending between animations or single bone rotations done by script so your 3rd person model always holds your weapon in the standard position even if you are facing a wall. The 1st person cannot reflect this easily and so we integrated a mix of 'pull your weapon back while at hip' and let it bump into objects stopping your further movement to let you notice that you just rammed your 3rd person weapon representation into it. It lets you learn how to move your weapon around without a true 3D view that you have in real life to measure your distance to another object.
So there's nothing stupid about it.

[edit] to the get stuck stuff... it has been tweaked.[/edit]

A coupla points:

"But in real life how stupid are you if you run around sprinting an ram your gun into a wall????
How often have you every watched a military tape/video/movie an seen someone stumbling into a wall with a gun??? lol
answer......YOU DON'T!!!!!"

IRL, particularly when working in an urban or CQB setting, you bang all your **** into lots of stuff, including your weapon. If you're lucky enough to not be wearing some kinda pack then things are a bit easier, but if you are then it's not uncommon for a fella to actually get stuck momentarily in a doorframe.

"How far exactly can you pull a weapon back if it's at your shoulder?"

Actually, for retention purposes, you tend to let the butt slip under your arm and in this position you can bring it back pretty fecking far and still get good hits fairly easily to 10-15m. Occasionally, you may tilt the weapon sideways and slide it up on top of your shoulder. If using red dot optics and a light round such as 5.56 or 7.62x39, then it's pretty easy to be accurate here as well.

I think the weapon collision thing is cool, but to implement it properly there should be a toggle to allow you to go to a position commonly known as sul (meaning south), where your weapon is held sideways close to the body with the barrel pointed directly at the ground just in front of one's toes. This would effectively remove the weapon collision box to allow one to slip into tight spaces or peek around corners without poking the gun out for all to see.

"But in real life how stupid are you if you run around sprinting an ram your gun into a wall????
How often have you every watched a military tape/video/movie an seen someone stumbling into a wall with a gun??? lol
answer......YOU DON'T!!!!!


It's called editing. These "military films" that your watching are either (a) Hollywood fantasia (b) For recruiting purposes or (c) for the purposes of making that particular military look good. That being the case you'll never see a "blooper" reel where somebody's like "hey kids! come join the Army, we're the strongest smartest badest thing ever, and you.. what the.. (camera drops). Recruiting and general propaganda only shows what your supposed to see, the majority of it sits on the cutting room floor, or gets put into the "what not to do" training vids.

I'd agree that some kind of stance where the weapon would be held vertically would be ideal, but i wouldn't want it to be an automatic thing, and i don't like the idea of having yet another key biding to keep track of.

I say that the weapon should automatically move out of the way like in america's army, but ONLY when moving faster than walk.

If you are walking and having trouble banging into stuff then you need to get some eye-hand coordination.

G36 said:

in Real Life you have something called space perception which continually tells your brain where all parts of your body are. Therefore soldiers don't whack their guns into walls. In a video game you don't have this

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right, but this is a game in which we pretend to be real soldiers, not video game people. I don't want to be punished, be it accuracy; dropping my weapon; or getting stuck, for bumping my weapon into a wall, because i know that in real life i would never be able to do that as easily as in a game. And i really dont want to have to cautiously navigate a narrow corridor, fearing that i might 'dent my gun'.