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«BuA»Lurker_71
14th Oct 2003, 08:26 PM
This afternoon, Boney and I discussed creating a tournament for the members of our clan.
The tournament will consist of 1v1 matches, will be based on a point scale (you have to earn so many points to be able to challenge a higher level player), and will also create the need for 8-10 1v1 CTF maps.
We're asking you clan mappers to jump in and make a few small 1v1 to help out, if possible.

The tourney will go on as long as we have people who are willing to play, and is an excellent way to hone your skills as a fighter.
Matches will be on a challenge basis; requiring fighters to be within a certain # of points to be able to challenge another player... though in the begining, we will all start with a set amount of points, making it a free for all.

Those that wish to help create maps will have a bit of a time limit; 2 weeks to complete 2 maps, unless there are fewer than 4 people helping with the maps.

There are details to be worked out, rules and ideas to implement, and certain other requirements to take care of... but we've got a good start, and right now we're looking for people who would be interested in signing up.

This means you!

We're keeping this within our clan, so the more of you that join up, the more fun it will be for everyone.
This isn't only about supporting «BuA»... this is about having a good time, fraggin' with yer bros, and getting better at what we do at the same time.

So sign up!
Let's do some fraggin together!

«BuA»Lurker_71
14th Oct 2003, 08:29 PM
Let's get this party started!
I'm in! :D

Devastator
14th Oct 2003, 08:33 PM
I'm in too... OMG I'll get pwned so many times.

Shattered_Steel
14th Oct 2003, 09:41 PM
Being as I'm the second best 1v1-er in the clan, I guess I'll have to sign up. :D (Well, Lurk, you do still have yet to beat me 1v1.)

I won't be making any maps, but I will go through all my maps and those on the server to see which ones are good for 1v1 playing.

TAZTG
14th Oct 2003, 11:12 PM
I think that our natural flag runners or offensive minded players will have an advantage in this type of tourney. How about we try a Clan 2v2 Style of Ladder. Small Maps and we pair an Offense and Defense Player together as teams. Something to think about but either way since I am the BEST Player count me in. :lol: :lol:

Bonecrusher
15th Oct 2003, 06:17 AM
omg...I must be third then. LOL
Maybe we can get more than one ladder going...I dunno.

But I'm in...will be keeping the webpage updated...and making maps.
Wheeeee!

«BuA»Lurker_71
15th Oct 2003, 06:19 AM
I think that our natural flag runners or offensive minded players will have an advantage in this type of tourney. How about we try a Clan 2v2 Style of Ladder. Small Maps and we pair an Offense and Defense Player together as teams. Something to think about but either way since I am the BEST Player count me in. :lol: :lol:

One of the ideas behind this was that we would get the (1v1) training once discussed by the Core members. Personally, I believe that this was the main reason I progressed as I did, and I'm sure it will help others, as well.
Besides, there's nothing wrong with a lil healthy competition, right? And it's all in fun!! :D

Shattered_Steel
15th Oct 2003, 02:50 PM
I was just thinking that this is more of a ladder, not a tournament. If we wanted a tournament, there would need to be some sort of schedule or elimination rounds to determine a winner. I -was- thinking of organizing an intraclan 2v2 tournament. It would be an individual thing where everyone would play on every else's team. It would be a round-robin rotating schedule, with everyone playing against and with everyone else. The winner at the end of the tournament would be the individual with the most wins, with other rewards like "best team", "most consistant", "MVP", "best defender", and "best flag carrier", etc. Would anyone be interested in that?

Bonecrusher
15th Oct 2003, 02:58 PM
Everyone plays on everyone elses team...I don't like it. Cuz nobody will be able to go undefeated...because a certain teammate might not help very much...and then the better people might end up not winning...get me?

Shattered_Steel
15th Oct 2003, 03:49 PM
Are you saying that someone on our clan wouldn't have the honor to play their best at all times? I, personally, would take offense to that. No one on Alpha Squad would do that, in my opinion, and BD and Enigma seem to like playing too much to waste their time with losing on purpose. Did you have someone in mind, BC?

You also would have to remember that everyone would have to play with *everyone* else. So if there was a player that you thought couldn't quite hold up their end, just remember that everyone else has to play with that person on their team as well.

Bonecrusher
15th Oct 2003, 05:44 PM
Then whats the point of 2v2?

If anything the people that want to get involved...(we wouldn't have more than three teams anyway) should be able to pick a partner...and be on that team.

Shattered_Steel
15th Oct 2003, 06:20 PM
Then whats the point of 2v2?

If anything the people that want to get involved...(we wouldn't have more than three teams anyway) should be able to pick a partner...and be on that team.

Ah, but what would that show, and what would we learn? (The answer to both questions is 'not much', btw.) The way I suggest it is much better for many reasons:

First, the selfish reasons:
1) It would, loosely, show who is the best player in a team environment.
2) Also show who is best at defense, offense, etc, since stats will be tracked and awards given at the end of the tournament based on those stats.
3) Each person may be able to gain additional respect from fellow clan members, since MVP for a team would be choosen by the opposite team (and possibly any spectators).

Second, for the clan learning reasons:
4) Obviously, to work on teamwork.
5) To work on better communication, since I expect everyone would want to use TS for their matches.
6) Further practice in a team-based environment.
7) Develop responsibility of and for the participation.
8) I saved the most important for last: So we can learn about each other; our strengths, our weaknesses, what we like and don't like to do, and what we might be capable of but don't know it yet.

Playing the round-robin rotating schedule would help us to develop trust and camaraderie between each clan member. This, I believe, would prove invaluable to the clan from more than just a competition standpoint.

Now, if you want, I could bring up the points against doing it as you suggested, but I think the good points here speak for themselves.

Bonecrusher
15th Oct 2003, 06:53 PM
Fine, whatever, you do what you wanna do.
If you wanna make a little 2v2 thing...fine...go right ahead. But me and Lurk know what we came up with...and its a winner...and its ORGANIZED already. Only me, lurk, and dev have seen what we got so far...and its 133t. they can back me up on that...and its a good cause.

I'm done argueing with you about this...because I wouldnt be in charge anyway...if you wanna set something up...go right ahead. But it ain't gonna be as pretty as this 1v1 thing.

BTW: Let's say four people want to participate in this 2v2 thing...or maybe even 6 if you get lucky. Now...first thing...some people just don't believe in teamwork...and never will. Theres some people that don't say more than two words on TS during a scrim...personally...I wouldn't want to be on a team with someone that doesn't cooperate. All that would do is get one person on the team heated...me for example...i get heated very easily as you all know. I just can't work with someone that doesn't know what they have to do. I don't want to be rude...and im not pointing this at one person. I know everyone has weaknesses...and thats what this 1v1 thing is for. You gotta do a little bit of everything to be able to win. Thats the only way peoples skills will improve in every situation.

I know theres more people that want to do this 1v1 thing...I actually think everyone should do it so you get a couple more fragging hours in.

Thats all I have to say.

«BuA»Lurker_71
15th Oct 2003, 07:04 PM
IMO:

We're sitting here talking about teamwork and getting things rolling, but all I'm really seeing is people butting heads.
You want teamwork? Try getting together on a project, working out the details, getting people involved, and trying to make it something WORTH DOING!

Yeah, we've got some really good people.
Yeah, we've got a LOT of good people.

But right now, the way I'm seeing things... we do NOT have a "team".

I expressed my concerns with AX on the 2v2 deal... where we broke up into squads to go against other clans... what good was that? How many people actually got involved?

3 people.

Here is an opportunity to get the entire clan involved in something that could make us better as individuals, and better as a team... and yer gonna argue about it?

Maybe you don't want us to be a team, eh?
Maybe it's all about the few, instead of the team?

Pardon me for being frank, but;
Get over yourselves... we need to do this together, or not do it at all.

Is that so hard to understand?

Shattered_Steel
15th Oct 2003, 08:57 PM
Whoa, cool your jets there, BC. If you are upset because you think I'm saying we should do a 2v2 *instead* of a 1v1, you completely misunderstood me. I was saying we could do a 2v2 tournament in addition to or after we do the 1v1 thing.

I was surprised when BC started fighting the whole idea of a 2v2 tournament, because the way I was settting it up, it was sort of an individual achievement thing, which I thought he would like, giving he thinks he's all that 1v1 (and who's to say he's not?). I was frankly quite surprised when he didn't just express a disinterest for it, but outright attacked it. I thought he didn't understand what I meant, so I tried to clarify, and then I get this... attitude... from him that I certainly do not think that I deserve. I've already said I was going to participate in the 1v1, why would I want to replace it? Here I am, just running an idea by everyone, and I get a "no, forget that, loser, cause *my* idea is better". Is it just me, or does that seem rather childish?

TAZTG
15th Oct 2003, 11:18 PM
Damn, I am sorry I brought up an idea for a Clan 2v2 Tourney. I had no idea it would turn into such a nasty issue.

First let me answer a couple of these questions.
Besides, there's nothing wrong with a lil healthy competition, right?
I agree and didn't suggest that we not have a 1v1 clan tourney. I was only making a suggestion about a 2v2 tourney. I applaud Lurk, BC, Dev and who ever help get this 1v1 thing going. It shows a strong clan unity and I like that.. Good Job..

I -was- thinking of organizing an intraclan 2v2 tournament. It would be an individual thing where everyone would play on every else's team.
I think this idea is alot better then perm. 2v2 team. This way everyone gets to play with everyone else. This would give each of us an opportunity to learn each others skills (Strengths & Weaknesses). I would alos like to point out here that Steel stated he was thinking of organizing it and I would be willing to help. Why does Steel get grief for a good idea beats me??

Now...first thing...some people just don't believe in teamwork...and never will. Theres some people that don't say more than two words on TS during a scrim...personally...I wouldn't want to be on a team with someone that doesn't cooperate. All that would do is get one person on the team heated...me for example...i get heated very easily as you all know. I just can't work with someone that doesn't know what they have to do. I don't want to be rude...and im not pointing this at one person. I know everyone has weaknesses...and thats what this 1v1 thing is for. You gotta do a little bit of everything to be able to win. Thats the only way peoples skills will improve in every situation.

BC, this sounds like you have problems playing on a team with folks that aren't as skilled as you. The point behind playing with each other is to help each other improve their skills. I have asked you countless times how did you do that or this and it helps me understand and improve my skills. I understand that you get heated easily, I also get heated rather quickly but for different reasons. We all have to improve our skills in communication and playing as a team. It takes time and patience but eventually we will get there. Instead of refusing to play with someone that doesn't know what they have to do why not talk with them at practice and help them understand and improve their skills. I honestly feel that your one hell of a player and if you learned how to relax more you would be awesome.. (Thats a compliment so please take it as such). I also apologize if you feel I was rude to you during the last scrim. AX, has corrected me on how I should respond and I will try to improve my tact.

I expressed my concerns with AX on the 2v2 deal... where we broke up into squads to go against other clans... what good was that? How many people actually got involved?

3 people
It was a IGLNet 2v2 ladder. Me, Steel & BC joined a ladder, we asked and was hoping that more of you would want to join. If someone would have said, I want to join but don't have a partner any 3 of us would have quit the team and created one with them. Don't throw that back at us, it was my first taste of ladders and it was very fun and everyone should have gotten involved.

Here is an opportunity to get the entire clan involved in something that could make us better as individuals, and better as a team... and yer gonna argue about it?

No-one here was arguing about the 1v1 ladder idea. In fact I think its a good idea and sounds like fun.

Maybe you don't want us to be a team, eh?
Maybe it's all about the few, instead of the team?

Pardon me for being frank, but;
Get over yourselves... we need to do this together, or not do it at all.

Is that so hard to understand?

Take a deep breath, no-one said anything negative about the 1v1 idea. I made a suggestion, Steel added to it. Lets all calm down and relax.


I Love Playing with all of you. Lets not argue about making suggestions. Lets work together and make this 1v1 thing work. If it works out and everyone has fun, then we can all work together on a 2v2 thingy.. Talk to you all later. :)

AX000
16th Oct 2003, 12:20 AM
I believe there was a misunderstanding.

BoneCrusher, Lurker_71: Indeed your 1v1 Tournament will be useful for individual training and amusing to the clan, and it will remain your project.

SS: This new 1v1 Tournament may have been a surprise to you and others. I know you have been working on your own Tournament project. SS your 2v2 Tournament will also be amusing and will assist with teamwork training.

Indeed both Tournaments can exist and the Directors of each can make the decisions they find acceptable.

It is important to recall that each of you are Assassins for the Clan.
Assassins fight along the side of fellow Assassins in combat.
Assassins only fight each other during online training exercises or special Tournaments.

AX000
16th Oct 2003, 12:43 AM
I will enter the 1v1 Tournament.

«BuA»Lurker_71
16th Oct 2003, 02:47 AM
Damn, I am sorry I brought up an idea for a Clan 2v2 Tourney. I had no idea it would turn into such a nasty issue.

You misunderstand... I'm not bashing SS, and I'm not bashing BC. I'm saying; if we can't do this together, then it will never get done.
For me, it's about the whole team... not one or two.



I think this idea is alot better then perm. 2v2 team. This way everyone gets to play with everyone else. This would give each of us an opportunity to learn each others skills (Strengths & Weaknesses). I would alos like to point out here that Steel stated he was thinking of organizing it and I would be willing to help. Why does Steel get grief for a good idea beats me??

He's not. Boney got the impression that SS was taking an idea that he and I formulated (having waited for a long bit of time for word from the Core, that we were indeed going into the specialized training mentioned in our emails), and making it his own. Personally, I can understand that Boney might get that impression... SS sometimes comes across like the one in charge. I don't hold that against him, but sometimes a little tact is in order.


It was a IGLNet 2v2 ladder. Me, Steel & BC joined a ladder, we asked and was hoping that more of you would want to join. If someone would have said, I want to join but don't have a partner any 3 of us would have quit the team and created one with them. Don't throw that back at us, it was my first taste of ladders and it was very fun and everyone should have gotten involved.

I'm not throwing anything back at anyone. I stated how I felt, and that's it... period.

No-one here was arguing about the 1v1 ladder idea. In fact I think its a good idea and sounds like fun.

Yes, it is. So how about we quit analyzing it, and get it started?


Take a deep breath, no-one said anything negative about the 1v1 idea. I made a suggestion, Steel added to it. Lets all calm down and relax.

:lol: I am calm.

I Love Playing with all of you. Lets not argue about making suggestions. Lets work together and make this 1v1 thing work. If it works out and everyone has fun, then we can all work together on a 2v2 thingy..

Again, the idea was misunderstood. Boney and I also discussed 2v2 and 3v3 team ladders... but we wanted to see how interested everyone was first, before we jumped in headfirst.

Not to mention that we had roles for just about anyone who wanted to be involved... Boney was going to take care of the webpage, we were going to ask SS to do the stats, everyone else was intended to help create titles for certain achievements in the matches, help organize the events, and keep the rotation moving.

We just want everyone to get in there and have a good time... and maybe learn something new in the process.
I would hate to lose more members because they got bored of doing the same thing every week... this could change that.
We want people to be more involved, we want people to get in there and be proud to support BuA.

And ya know... out of all the members of BuA... the one we hear the least from should be the one we work the hardest to get in here.

So BT, let me offer you your own personal invitation to the tourney... because I want you to get in here and play hard and love it like the rest of us do. And hell, we all know yer a damn good player, so why doncha get in here and prove it to us? ;)

Bonecrusher
16th Oct 2003, 06:23 AM
I have asked you countless times how did you do that or this and it helps me understand and improve my skills.

Thats exactly right, and that shows you have some interest in improving your skills...everyone else tends to believe they can't improve anymore...and they are so wrong. I still have a lot of skills to improve, so everyone else can improve too...you just have to play more.

Take a deep breath, no-one said anything negative about the 1v1 idea. I made a suggestion, Steel added to it. Lets all calm down and relax.

I'm not quite calm yet...
You know why?

Is it just me, or does that seem rather childish?

Oh no no no...it seems to me that you are a little too grown-upish.
Everyone else around here either IS a kid...or acts like a big kid. And thats what makes everything work around here.

Now im gonna go to school and fail a quiz or two...so I can come back and be heated on school instead of this...

TAZTG
16th Oct 2003, 06:55 PM
OMG, I can feel the LOVE.. I can't wait to get home to some fragging. BTW, Max Payne II is out.. Graphics are awesome..

Bonecrusher
17th Oct 2003, 06:14 AM
We got seven people in on this so far.

AX000, Bonecrusher, Bonedigger, Devastator, Lurker_71, Shattered_Steel, and TAZTG...I know theres more...come on now.

Bonedigger
20th Oct 2003, 06:11 PM
man i was ganna say i am in just to say but BC is doing his thing i told him and he posts THX a lot :D

Bonecrusher
21st Oct 2003, 07:35 AM
Well boy oh boy...it took you three days after you said yes in irc to type one sentence in the forums. LOL

TAZTG
21st Oct 2003, 02:52 PM
He must be from the same bloodline as you BC.. You always take along time to do certain things. BTW, love how your SIGS rotate.

Bonecrusher
21st Oct 2003, 03:34 PM
TY very much...if you had enough sigs I'd hook you up too. ;)

Bad-Target
23rd Oct 2003, 09:32 PM
Thanks for the Invitation Lurker. I guess I am in.

TAZTG
24th Oct 2003, 04:50 AM
TY very much...if you had enough sigs I'd hook you up too. ;)

I have to work on updating my SIGS. I have a few but none are as cool looking as the one you did for me.

Yea BT joined up.. Get ready for some fragging action. BTW when is this IntraClan Tourney Start?? BC or Lurk will you mail us the official rules and map list and stat date?? ;)
I sure hope there will be some kind of handicapping involved to help even things out. Example: BC has to run backwards the whole match. LOL :lol:

«BuA»Lurker_71
24th Oct 2003, 07:09 AM
Yea BT joined up.. Get ready for some fragging action. BTW when is this IntraClan Tourney Start?? BC or Lurk will you mail us the official rules and map list and stat date?? ;)

We have to get everyone to agree on them first...
#0 - Have fun & enjoy yourself!! -TAZ

#1 - A player cannot challenge more than one person per day. Said player can, however, accept as many challenges as are made to him/her during that day.

#2 - Only stock skins are allowed. No custom skins.

#3 - A player that is more than 10 minutes late for their match forfeits the match.
#3a - If extenuating circumstances caused said tardiness, and opposing player agrees, the match can be rescheduled at a later time without forfeit.

#4 - Matches are 10 caps or 20 minutes, LGIG 135/35.

#5 - Requests for a warm up must be made in advance so that we can get in as many games as possible, without running over into another scheduled match. Please request a warm up when you are making the challenge.

#6 - All scheduled matches should have a 5 - 10 minute break between, so that other challengers have time to prepare. In the event of a requested warm up, time between matches should be taken into consideration.

#7 - Leaving a match before it's over constitutes a forfeit. Understandably, sometimes this will occur.. in those cases, if you can return asap, then the match will resume. If a player disconnects and does not return within 5 minutes, it will be assumed that the player is not returning, and will forfeit the match.
#7a - Again, extentuating circumstances do occur. If this happens, the two players must agree to reschedule. If the players do not agree, because of the circumstances, the match will be forfeit, and no win or loss will be rewarded to either player.

#8 - Players should be logged into Teamspeak in the event something happens during the match that causes them to have to stop playing momentarily.

#9 - Obviously, no cheating will be allowed. Not that I think any of you would cheat... but it should be said anyway. ;)

#10 - For tracking purposes, all matches will be stats matches.


That's what I have so far.
Some Boney and I have talked over and agree to, others we have not.
If you guys can think of other rules that should be applied, or you have problems with these; let's iron them out asap(ly).

This is about the clan, so all players should agree to these rules, or list problems or complaints to have the rules ammended, so that we can get started.

We can begin as soon as everyone (who signs up... and everyone should sign up) is agreed on the rules.

Boney has the curent map list, and other maps (including clan maps) will be added in the future.

So there ya go guys (and Kitty)... get in here and voice your opinions so we can get this sucker going!! :D

TAZTG
24th Oct 2003, 08:54 AM
I can only agree to these rules if you add 1 more to the top of the LIST.

You Must Have FUN and ENJOY the Fragging!!

Sounds Easy Enough Guys, hopefully we can get this going and improve all of our skills. Thanks Lurk ;)

I just thought of one more thing. Scheduling the Server, we will have to be able to track this very closely. We can do this in a Specific Thread in a Specific Format that BC or AX can Stick to the top. That way no scheduling snafu's should occur. One other thing to note is that Ladder Matches and Scrims should take priority and if necessary some 1v1's might need to be rescheduled, so everyone has to be flexible in order for this to run smoothly.

Lets Rock!! :)

Bonecrusher
24th Oct 2003, 02:26 PM
A few things...Some of those rules make it sound like there were be 2 or 3 matches a day. For some reason I don't think it'l happen that fast. It might for the people that check forums everyday...Me, DEV, Lurk, TAZ, Steel, maybe ax and ice...the others that check them once a month *clears throat* might have a little bit of a problem. Either they should check more often...or we will have to set up matches lke this...

A person posts a challenge with two times they are POSITIVE they are available for (including date and time) in a designated challenge thread...when the other person sees it..(if they see it in time) will reply to that person...making it very clear they are talking to that person (saying their name and the day they posted...lower left of post, and if you are avaialble for any of the times) so the rest of us can tell that too...in case that person has more then one challenger.
The person responding to the challenge may also suggest another time if none of the challengers times work. But no promises when it comes to that.

Anyone else that is free at that time to spectate...please do.

I'm thinking the two people playing should be present in irc atleast 15 minutes before match time. So last minute things can be straightened out. And to make things easier on me...the person that made the challenge to the other person will be responsible for telling everyone else the outcome...either by linking to ut2003 stats (recommended) or just typing it in a designated results thread.

I probably forgot a few things...but there is something to look over.

Devastator
24th Oct 2003, 04:01 PM
I agree to those rules.

Let's get started. Less yappin' more fraggin' :D

Bonecrusher
24th Oct 2003, 05:45 PM
Hold your horses...we still gotta work out the kinks in the scoring system...but its looking good.

Iceburgs
26th Oct 2003, 01:41 AM
Hey guys. Thought you might want to consider using these 1v1 LGI CTF maps that this guy made. They look to be fast (as the description says) and fun. Atari forums (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=328010).

:) :cool:

Bonecrusher
26th Oct 2003, 08:42 AM
Possibly. But...some of em look a little...too tiny. I'll ask some people.

TAZTG
26th Oct 2003, 05:24 PM
His number 3,5 & 6 don't look to bad. The first 2 are kinda small looking but thats what he was shooting for anyway. Good find ICE..

Bonecrusher
26th Oct 2003, 05:27 PM
put em on I guess TAZ..i'll add them to the tourney maplist once they're on.

TAZTG
26th Oct 2003, 06:43 PM
OK I added 3, 5 & 6. I suggest everyone D/L from Ice's link and install them.

Bonecrusher
26th Oct 2003, 08:44 PM
Awesome.

If I get the OkiDoki from Lurk...we'll open this thing up around practice time tomorrow.

«BuA»Lurker_71
27th Oct 2003, 12:45 AM
Awesome.

If I get the OkiDoki from Lurk...we'll open this thing up around practice time tomorrow.


OkiDoki :-)

Bonecrusher
27th Oct 2003, 06:23 AM
O_o

Alright then.

I guess we can start now!

Bonecrusher
28th Oct 2003, 06:16 AM
You know what DEV...I was looking at the times when the stats kicked back on...and it skipped right over our match. So if you wanna do it again to it logs...we can do it as soon as you show up in irc today...when im out of school. But it has to be before 6:00 tho because I have to go somewhere tonight.

Devastator
28th Oct 2003, 06:54 AM
You know, I would agree on that but dunno if I will be there. If I'm there sure, if not, can we do it tomorrow?

Bonecrusher
28th Oct 2003, 02:10 PM
We could do tomorrow too.

«BuA»Meat
28th Oct 2003, 02:45 PM
is that here we sign up for 1v1 contest lol if so count me in as i challenged already killerx if he ever signup lol

Shattered_Steel
29th Oct 2003, 08:08 AM
OK, for time scheduling, it looks like we may need to set certain start times. Something like matches should start on the hour, so as to give each match at least an hour to be played. Whoever finalizes a time first wins that slot.

I've checked some of the newer maps on the map list, and some of them aren't really that good for 1v1. The KDCTF maps are not made for 1v1 play. KDCTF5 is prolly the only one that can reasonably be played 1v1. 3 and 6 are simply too big. They are made for at least 4v4's and 5v5's. MortalKombat2k3 (no offense, BC) is also not what I would call a 1v1 map. On that map, in most 1v1 circumstances, a person would only need to get a quarter of the way through the map to be guaranteed a flag cap. Soulburner and Warehouse are only aesthetically different from BarnBurner, and so if people just want additional BB's, that's ok. One map I recommended (also to show I'm not being biased) may not be too good for 1v1, either. Apophis is a little long, and many people will find it extremely difficult to catch an enemy flag runner that is already halfway across the map. Spawn points suck on HallofAnubis and Dawgpound, sometimes, but otherwise they are fine.

I generally judge 1v1 maps on the thinking that it should be possible to get a flag kill from 3/4 the map away. This means any map where you can fire from one flag to the other is conceivebly a good 1v1 map. Size also plays a role, since we don't want maps that are extra small or too large. Lastly, spawn points can occasionally make the difference in close games. An example would be if the enemy FC is halfway across the map on Dawgpound, and you get fragged, you would still get a chance at some shots at the FC if you spawn somewhere up top, but if you spawn below, chances are that you won't see the FC before he/she caps the flag.

These are the maps I think will be very good 1v1 maps: BarnBurner and all variations, MegaWoot!, Romra, all Thorns, SpaceStationX1v1 (good find, Dev!), Stadium2k3, and Wildfire (hate the name, like the map). Maps that will be merely ok (detractors in parentheses): Apophis (size and flag kill distance), CommArray (spawn points and multiple suicides), Hall of Anubis (spawn points), ArenaJam1_2 (size and flag kill distance), Dawgpound (spawn points), and KDCTF5 (size). Maps that will not work for 1v1 (imho): KDCTF3 (*size*), KDCTF6 (*size*), and MortalKombat2k3 (flag kill distance).

Bonecrusher
29th Oct 2003, 01:43 PM
IMO (and some other people's) ... MortalKombat is actually a very good 1v1 map. Just because it requires a different style of play. It isn't just a lame old wide open map like most 1v1's. It has some character. Me and DEV had a blast on it.

Shattered_Steel
29th Oct 2003, 02:10 PM
I'm not saying its a bad map, BC, just that it wouldn't be a 1v1 experience I would enjoy.

Oh, when I was testing it out, coming up one the shafts, I hit an invisible ceiling which sent me right back down. That was pretty annoying.

Bonecrusher
29th Oct 2003, 02:38 PM
Well...then...err...your game is messed up. LOL. didn't happen to n e one else yet. I don't think. But w/e...just don't pick it. After a while we'll see what maps people like and which ones they don't...and we'll redo the maplist then.

Shattered_Steel
29th Oct 2003, 04:09 PM
After a while we'll see what maps people like and which ones they don't...and we'll redo the maplist then.

That sounds like a plan.