for all you poker players.

Ouch, that's just bad luck, not bad play. --Also why all reeally good poker players have a large pool of money to dip into when they hit a string of bad luck.

money in games = teh suck, really. that's why i don't like mmorpg, soon you'll I've to pay for anything

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money in games = teh suck, really. that's why i don't like mmorpg, soon you'll I've to pay for anything

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Depends how you play, we managed (my gf & myself) to win in a casino by playing tactical on the roulette. It looks completly hazardous but there are some tricks to "win" money on it. The backdraw being you can't win big amounts rather small ones and you must be very patient but it works quite well. On the few hours of the 2 nights we spent at that casino, we managed to earn 120 and 250€, free of tax. Wish I had more time.

If you have lots of money it is impossible to lose in any game (if you do it right).

Anyway, I like playing poker every once in a while, we play with cents though

Not lot of money but you need a minimal amount, yes.

WTF are you guys talking about? Winning at roulette? you gotta be crazy. AFAIK, there is no way to bend the laws of probability to win at that game. Bending other laws is a different matter....

It worked. We used 2 ways and both worked but as I said, you win each time a small amount of money and you need to be patient.

Bet 5 euros one black. If you lose, bet 10 euros on black. If you lose, bet 20 euros. This way, sooner or later you will win something.

That is the method my gf preferred (I prefer another one, more sure) but instead of playing directly, she was scanning all the tables and waited a serie of 7 or 8 blacks in a row to start betting on red.
This method has a problem, while playing on a color, you're limited on the maximum money you can place...

I heard that 21 has the best odds of winning, and more if you can get away with counting cards. This true?

heh, it's still the same chance of red or black even if the last 10000000000000000 were all red/black you know.

An old friend of mine used to play as part of a gambling team. They counted cards in blackjack and found video poker machines that you could exploit. They were bankrolled from outside sources that used the team as what was essentially an investment. It sounds exciting at first, but it's really a very boring job after a while. They'd hit casinos for anywhere from 25,000 to a few hundred thousand or more and then move on to the next one, doing the same things over and over. It's almost an automated process really, like being on an assembly line.

Roulette has a few strategies that increase your odds, but over time the house still has the advantage if you look at the percentages. With blackjack you can give yourself an edge over the house by varying your bet at crucial times when the odds are in your favor based on the cards that have already been played. The casinos know this too though so they monitor your betting habits and will ask you to leave if you fit the pattern. I've had pit bosses watch me play on a few occasions myself when I experimented with a few simple counts just to see if I could do it. I was asked to leave the table once. Proper wagering in craps can also lead to a slight advantage for the player over the house. Pretty much anything else is a sucker's bet. Sure you might get lucky every once in a while and win big (or even small) at some game or another but the casinos wouldn't be there if the odds weren't with them overall.

Ice, yeah, it's true. Teams have all sorts of techniques worked out to prevent detection by the casino for when they're counting. They work in pairs at the same table or in the same casino.

Sometimes one guy will count but never vary his bets at all, waiting for the deck to get "hot". When the count is in the favor of the players he'll signal his parter to come bet big. The partner moves in, places some huge bets, often playing a few hands at once, cleans house, and then leaves the table when the deck gets cold, again at a signal from the counter. There are tons of other schemes used to get around the casino's typical profiles of card counters too. A group of MIT students made millions doing it. Google for MIT card counting and you should find several articles on them.

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heh, it's still the same chance of red or black even if the last 10000000000000000 were all red/black you know.

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Well, I still need to see a table which drawed more than 100th times the same color!

The maximum I saw was 18th times black in a row but even if you wait 7 or 8, that's sufficient to makes you loose.

The other method consist in placing bets in differents "quadrants" of the table (including the 0). It's a long walk at the end but so far it worked for me (but it is indeed boring and mechanical). I can give more details if someone is interested but I think there are differences between US and Euros roulettes.

For the Black Jack, I heard it too many times as the best game to win something with the best odds but you need to remain focused all along.

I am sorry MadWoffen, but someone who thinks they can win in the long run in roulette knows next to nothing about probability. The only way you could win is if the roulette table was somehow rigged (by you) or if it was malfunctioning somehow.

--Another good method for winning money in poker is scouting out sloppy dealers that show you their hole card. You can then have a buddy signal the hole card to you while you are using all the other strategies like counting, etc.

I read a book of a guy that was counting a table when it eventually got to be a ridiculously high count. He then did what one would normally neve do: He split 10s. But since the deck was such a high count, he kept getting dealt 10s, which he kept splitting. I believe he had about 20 hands at the end and over $100,000 on the table. -Just one example of how betting when the odds are favorable can be a powerful strategy.

The system I use (not about colors) is based on probability and comes from a book about it.

Bet one card on 4/7, 12/15, 19/22, 18/21, 35/36
2 cards on the quadrant 25/26/28/29
2 cards on 0/2/3

That gives you a 48.64% probability of winning in using only 9 cards (I say cards coz I dunno the proper name in english) instead of 17 if you wanted to play half the table. That is for a 36 numbers + 0 roulette.

I tried it live, it worked, I tried it on a small roulette generator and it worked too. That's all I can say. The system has the advantage of being mechanical and you doesn't need to be too much concentrated.

MadWoffen: The 100 times in a row is just as probably as any other combination. Events have no memory. The next color or number to come up has the same chance as any other and past performance is no indicator of future events, provided that the table and ball are balanced and accurate to the specifications in place for almost all gaming places.

It's the classic gambler's folly really.

sublime, that's why it's called gambling. You take your chances and pray. Anyway I disagree with you. You are right in theory, but if you have enough money to double your bets 10 times in a row the chances of you becoming a winner is pretty high.

That's why them bastards implented a maximum bet I suppose.

I shouldn't be telling you this anyway Mr.Geniusteacher. The only reason why the house always wins is because the one gambler that wins wins a small amount, and the ones that loses using that technique go home flatbroke.

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Rostam, prove your theory mathematically. I'll bet you can't as long as the game has odds stacked in the house's favor, which the all do with the few noted exceptions above and maybe 2-3 more in rare cases where the game is slightly modified. You lose just as much as you win with your method. You break even. Let's look at it with 50% odds, shall we? Consider yourself to be betting on simple coin flips. Give yourself a $1024 limit for this.

Say you bet $1 at first and lose. You're down $1.
Then you bet $2 and win. You're up $1.
Then you bet $4 and lose. You're down $3.
Then you bet $8 and win. You're up $5.
Then you bet $16 and lose. You're down $11.
Then you bet $32 and win. You're up $21.
Then you bet $64 and lose. You're down $43.
Then you bet $128 and win. You're up $85.
Then you bet $256 and lose. You're down $171.
Then you bet $512 and win. You're up $341.
Then you bet $1024 and lose. You're down $683.

Over a long period of time you break even. Sure you can walk away when you're up, but the next time you walk away when you're down. Over the long run you simply break even. The casino knows this and shifts the odds in its favor be a bit. It doesn't even have to be by much. You'd be amazed at how much things add up when you win just 51% of the time.

Those that play casino games for a living don't gamble either, just so you know. The odds are in their favor.

The house wins because the odds are in their favor on the vast majority of games in the house. And for those 2-3 that this isn't the case, they either toss you out for counting cards or count on the thousands of people who don't know how to play the odds properly to put them in their favor.