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Lizard Of Oz
30th Jul 2003, 12:57 PM
Not really. The following CGI images were created with Softimage XSI (similar to 3D Studio) by 19 year old Kris Horton.

They are his concept of what the next generation of Camaro should look like.


http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr-5camaro05_z.jpg

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr-5camaro04_z.jpg

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr-5camaro01_z.jpg

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr-5camaro02_z.jpg

I think he nailed it.


The Fifth Element
(http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr_5camaro/)

[IsP]KaRnAgE
30th Jul 2003, 01:17 PM
OMG! They should hire him and use his design. I like it! :D

alien8
30th Jul 2003, 02:16 PM
That is seriously bad-ass!

El Diablo
30th Jul 2003, 02:18 PM
That's awsome!!

tool
30th Jul 2003, 02:27 PM
I dont like the color, but other then that nice looking car.

Renegade Retard
30th Jul 2003, 02:29 PM
That's not bad at all. Goes along with the retro them most concepts are using now.

It was a sad day when they announced the end of the Camaro line.

Nickelass
30th Jul 2003, 02:48 PM
it would be awesome if they would bring the camaro back with that design. that is a really good design and one of the only retro styled cars that i like. :tup:

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
30th Jul 2003, 03:07 PM
Very nice! The only thing I don't like is the chevy logo. (Looks alittle big imo)

Lewis
30th Jul 2003, 04:50 PM
i would sure as hell want that even if it wasn't a camaro :)

Lizard Of Oz
31st Jul 2003, 12:01 AM
Speaking of retro designs...

2005 Ford Mustang
http://www.fushiki-etsuro.com/2004mustang.jpg

Twisted Metal
31st Jul 2003, 12:20 AM
Isn't the camaro discontinued?

_Dark_Rusty_
31st Jul 2003, 12:23 AM
Those both look cool, the designers did well in taking old designs & making them look modern

Iron Archer
31st Jul 2003, 12:50 AM
I'm glad they got away from the rounded designs of the early 90's. The new slight curves/straight lines are much more appealing, while staying contemporary and just a tad nostalgic.

Lizard Of Oz
31st Jul 2003, 01:21 AM
Isn't the camaro discontinued?

Yes, but it's rumored to return in 2005.

hal
31st Jul 2003, 03:15 AM
That 'stang looks great too. It looks like the headrests touch the ceiling though. :D

El Diablo
31st Jul 2003, 03:39 AM
Yes, but it's rumored to return in 2005.

Where did you hear this rumor??

DigitalPixie
31st Jul 2003, 06:55 AM
Isn't the camaro discontinued? this may help explain why..

Chevrolet Camaro
December 2000

Dear Consumer:

Thank you for contacting the Center for Auto Safety (CAS) about your Chevrolet Camaro or Pontiac Firebird.

Most owners of Camaros and Firebirds need no reminder of how miserable they have become because of defects in their cars. CAS still gets hundreds of consumer complaints each year, with engine and transmission defects topping the list. Until redesigned in 1993, the J.D. Power Survey, a famous analysis of automobile quality, ranked the Camaro/Firebird as the worst car in America, despite nearly a decade of production to work out the bugs. Consumer Reports has consistently selected the Camaro and Firebird as among the least reliable cars sold in the US with 1991-99 Camaro/Firebird selected as used cars to avoid.

These cars have some potentially dangerous defects that have been investigated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). Seat belt defects have led to five recalls on most 1982-91's. The 1987-92's have GM's poorly designed, door mounted "automatic belt system" that may not prevent occupant ejection if a door opens in a crash. When equipped with airbags, these cars have relatively good crashworthiness but very high fatality rates because they are muscle cars which are marketed to younger drivers with higher crash rates. NHTSA investigated all 1985-88s with 5.0/5.7L engines for sudden acceleration but failed to order a recall.

Paint peel or delamination has been widespread on 1985-93 models. In 1993 at CAS' request, GM agreed to pay for complete repainting for paint peel or delamination through six years and unlimited mileage. In March 1995, GM secretly cut the policy to 5 years, but if pushed, will honor the 6-year policy and even pays beyond 6 years if sued in small claims court.

You'll find information on these and other Camaro/Firebird defects below and what you can do about them plus a complaint box. Your information will help us build a strong case against GM on the defects we know about and help us spot new ones.

We need you to support the Center for Auto Safety in our fight for consumer rights and against poorly designed and unsafe cars. Your contribution is tax-deductible and entitles your to our quarterly newsletter, Lemon Times. Please submit the membership form along with your contribution and complaint. If you contribute $35 or more, we will send you the current edition of The Ultimate Car Book, by Jack Gillis. Every home should have this invaluable consumer guide.

Sincerely,

Clarence M. Ditlow
Executive Director

GM CAMARO/FIREBIRD FACT SHEET
(Unless indicated information below applies to all Camaro and Firebirds; Technical Service Bulletins (TSB's) listed in brackets.

Brakes: NHTSA conducted rare, highest-level investigation of rear disk brake failures on 1982-88s [C90-001] but GM recalled only 1984-86s. Rear disc brake moan 1987-91 C (91-309-5, 88-162-5); Disc brake noise 1982-88 (88-340-5); Light brake drag - Brake switch adjustment 1980-89 (89-262-5); Front brake pulsation 1982-95 (43-50-09); Parking brake lever slip on apply 1990-92 (92-119-5); Uneven/taper wear on rear brake pads 1993-96 (53-50-20); Parking brake handle release button rattle/buzz 1993-97 (73-50-14).

Electrical: Cruise control intermittent drop-out/fail 1988-92 (92-107-8A); Erratic operation of headlights or T/signals 1997-98 (73-82-12); P/door locks inoperative 1991-97 (63-10-41B); P/door locks & P/windows inoperative 1993-97 (73-81-33); Theft alarm sounds when car wet 1996-98 (73-81-34); Tail/stop light bulbs burn out 1995-97 (73-82-06); Fuel gauge responds slowly after fueling 1996-97 (73-83-15).

Engine: 2.5L-4cyl: Block cracks, 5yr/100,000 mile extended warranty, FREE REPAIR 1984 (84-261). 2.8L-V6: Chattering/Grinding - "may be necessary to replace engine" 1987 (87-88); Stall/hesitation after cold start 1987-89 (89-196-6E); Intermittent stalling 1985-87 (87-109). 3.1L-V6: Oil odor - replace rear main bearing seal 1990-95 (87-60-02A). 3.8L-V6: Idle spark knock 1995-96 (77-65-22); Oil leak at rear near flywheel cover 1995-97 (77-61-16A). 5.0L-V8: Metallic buzz/rattle 1991-92 (92-162-10). 5.7L-V8: Intake manifold/block interface oil leak 1993-97 (77-61-17). 5.0/5.7L-V8: Coolant loss 1987-88 FREE REPAIR (88-174-6); Tailpipe smoke on startup 1987-88 (88-403-6); Accessory drive belt wear 1993-94 (476201). All engines: Damage to wiring terminal on engine sensors 1985-88 (88-101-8A); Starter grinds/clashes on cranking 1985-88 (88-305-6D)/1990-91 (91-218-61); Cooling system leaks 1982-88 (88-245-6B); Water pump/seal leaks 1987-88 (88-265-6B). Rear underbody buzz - Catalytic converters shield 1988-91 (91-163-10); Engine miss/hesitation/roughness 1980-93 (93-35-6D); Oil pressure gauge flutters/reads high 1990-91 (91-451A-8C).

Paint: Paint peels due to omission of primer layer; GM extended warranty to 6 years, then reduced it to 5. For more information, go to GM-Paint.

Steering/Suspension: Steering lead/pull to right 1995-96 (53-32-13); Reduced P/S assist at low temps, 1980-91 (91-208-3B); Crack in P/S pump pulley 1987-89 (89-81-3B); Steering stop crunch noise 1990-91 (91-490-313); Steering column pop 1992-93 (333210A); Intermittent steering column snap/click on turns 1994-96 (56-32-02B); Vibration at highway speed from drive axle 1993-96 (67-41-01).

Transmission: GM has issued dozens of bulletins on the 700-R4 [4L60] automatic overdrive transmission. For more information, go to GM-RWD Transmission.

MAJOR SAFETY RECALLS
Copies of recalls may be obtained from NHTSA's Technical Reference Division at 202-366-2768.

Brakes: 30,868 1984 - Hoses separate (84V-093); 177,704 1984-86 - Parking brake fails (91V-055); 69 1999 - Clutch does not disengage (99V-239).

Fuel System: 24,455 1982 - Fuel sprays out when filler neck opened (82V-076); 10,297 1990 & 29,331 1989-90 - Engine fuel hoses break & leak (90V-114 & 90V-115); 6,807 1994 - Engine fuel lines damaged by heat & leak (93V-199); 232,988 1991-92 - Fuel filler neck cracks (94V-077).

Seat Belts: 172,863 1982 - Belt anchorages weak (82V-089); 738,485 1983-85 - Shoulder belt doesn't retract (85V-169); 34 1989 Camaro - Webbing on buckle too long (88V-191); 1,500,000 1984-90 - Sunlight weakens plastic buckle components (90V-105); 40,696 1991 - Metal latch plate won't engage buckle (91V-067); 1,573 1997 - Retractor locks on slopes (96V-219).

Other: 4,393 1983 Camaro Z-28 - Hood buckles (83V-049); 1,000+ 1984 - Seat back inertia lock fails (84V-011); 2,687 1984-85 - Wheel hub fractures (85V-018); 1986 - Headlight switch (86V-056); 43,413 1992 - Automatic transmission fails to engage in park (92V-154); 362 1995 - Loss of steering (95V-046.

Zarkazm
31st Jul 2003, 07:33 AM
I think he nailed it.
Nice design, but the colour is making my eyes water.

Daedalus
31st Jul 2003, 01:05 PM
damn liz, I was going to make a reference to the new retro designed mustang!! Oh well, nice design, that kid really did nail it on the head.

Kaligraphic
31st Jul 2003, 05:11 PM
I like the opaque windows. I always hate it when I get into a car and have to see the surroundings. Those opaque, black windows, though, are great! :)

Oh, and those are some nice pics.

TossMonkey
31st Jul 2003, 05:16 PM
If I was to have a muscle car it'd be something like that. Either that or tvr tuscan.

El Diablo
31st Jul 2003, 05:20 PM
Either that or tvr tuscan.

Eh, I could never really see the appeal of the Tuscan. It looks pretty slick but something about the stylings also just doesn't look right to me. Maybe too futuristic :hmm:

TossMonkey
31st Jul 2003, 05:30 PM
The tuscan is just a unique car. I also love the bugatti 16/4 veyron with a passion. Damn that car is nice.

Clayeth
31st Jul 2003, 05:35 PM
this may help explain why..

Yep, that's what happens when you try to make a cheap muscle/sports car. You just can't build a high quality vehicle with that nice of an engine for the amount they sell for. It's obvious why the Corvette with the same engine costs about 5x as much.

It would be nice to see them completely redesign the Camaro from the ground up, and give up on competing with ford for the cheap muscle car market, and go for more of a moderate position (higher quality than the mustang, but below the corvette/viper).

As for the bowtie looking wrong, of course it does, it's supposed to have the Camaro logo
http://www.bruceleibowitz.net/images/camaro_logo.jpg

El Diablo
31st Jul 2003, 05:40 PM
The tuscan is just a unique car. I also love the bugatti 16/4 veyron with a passion. Damn that car is nice.

Unique? Yes. But I dunno, just not my favorite.

I will agree though with the Veyron. Very exotic :tup:

PsychoMoggieBagpuss
31st Jul 2003, 06:59 PM
TVR's look good, but are deathtraps.

Powered Steering = no
ABS = no. So slam the brakes when going at speed you've got a 30% chance of spinning 540 and shooting off the road sideways.
Air con = only the newest models (and thats cause the damn struts supporting the roof act like a damn radiator and its soooooo fscking hot).

The complete lack of any traction control means that you have to be extra careful when putting the foot down as, epecially in the wet as it generates so much torque you could bust the rear axle.
My mate got himself a secondhand Chimera - absoloutly gorgeous, but you're constantly aware of how unforgiving the actual car is.
Thats not going to change anytime soon though. I remember reading a Clarkson article talking about the time the owner of TVR phoned up and asked him if he wanted to come down and play in the new TVR. Clarkson then asked him if the car had abs,air con, etc.
The guy who owns the company's reply?

"Nope. We make our cars strictly for hetrosexuals"

Clayeth
1st Aug 2003, 12:08 AM
I don't have a problem with a car not having traction control. When I got my own car I was so use to not having it and driving a V8 that it rarely even gets to do anything. It can be helpful in snow though.

... and I thought all cars made in the last 20 years had power steering :hmm:

Lenix
2nd Aug 2003, 05:41 PM
Sadly the Camaro line was ended, unless something has changed, with the other F-body, the Pontiac Firebird.

Sales were poor, and the designs in both models were outdated, as were the engines. GM simply didn't want to put more money into a line that was already losing money, and a total F-body redesign (Since the Firebird and Camaro have mostly only Asthetic differences) Would have to apply to both to continue the current method of production.

As nice as that looks, too. :(


I have no idea what an S-body is, thanks Liz, tee-hee.

Lizard Of Oz
2nd Aug 2003, 05:49 PM
F-Body (http://www.fbody.com/)

zynthetic
2nd Aug 2003, 07:52 PM
<- 1985 Pontiac Firebird owner.
Bought new, >200K mi. Still running.
Major repairs: Transmission rebuilt 1997.
Regular maintence/state emissions/safety inspection.
I have not had to take my car to a repair shop for the past 2 years, since I've lived in Ga. I had it inspected before I left Va. Before that I had to replace some coolant components (1998). Prior to that was the tranny.
This is the most reliable car I've had the pleasure of driving or riding in.

Driving demographics may lead this model to look like a lemon. This would make _any_ car look like a lemon: If you drive like your drag racing everywhere then obviously the car isn't going to last very long at all.
Owning a fbody does not make you a race car driver.
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I will be replacing the engine, not related to engine trouble. I think any motor w/ >200k mi has had a long life. Getting a new paintjob, it is almost 20yrs old, it looks like it's almost 20yrs old. I'm also replacing the stock hood w/ a predator ram air kit. I'll have to repaint the entire car to match this. I wub my baby :)

Selerox
2nd Aug 2003, 08:05 PM
"Nope. We make our cars strictly for hetrosexuals"

:lol: TVRs are truly awesome bits of machinery though, but I'd be too scared to drive one :)

Toss - Speed 6 or Speed 12?

As for the Firebird, I remember seeing a clip of a 98 Firebird being beaten on the 1/4 mile by a Go-Ped. A Go-Ped fitted with Nitrous :-)

DRT-Maverick
2nd Aug 2003, 10:08 PM
I hope chevy takes that kid's work seriously, if his design is aerodynamic enough. Because that kicks serious ass.