kasbah and china-r2 released

fist_mlrs · Jul 3, 2003

i decided to release kasbah and china-r2 now so they get the chance to hit a server before 2.9 is released. china3 needs just to much work to finish the mappack anytime soon.

i had to remove the botsupport from kasbah for performance reasons. the map is to narrow for this engine, the only way to ge bots to move is fooling the engine. since i had to do this for the hole map, not only some few doors, it resulted in a major performance hit. there are still pathnodes at a few important locations, so mutators which use pathnodes to work won't be a problem either.

china-r2 is the serverfriendly version of china-revised. basicly i removed the animalpack which caused serverproblems, reduced the overall brightness, fixed some errors and added some new stuff. i kinda like it now

download:
http://www.glassmann.de/fist_mlrs/fmkasbah.zip
http://www.glassmann.de/fist_mlrs/fmchina-r2.zip

fist_mlrs · Jul 3, 2003

some more pics

Freon · Jul 3, 2003

oh since you're on a release spree, could you get your hands on Gullonefox never released maps and finish them

fist_mlrs · Jul 3, 2003

nice idea, i'll ask him... maybe he does still have them somewhere

Fat Marrow · Jul 3, 2003

:tup:

I look forward to playing Kasbah - I do like that one (although China is of course also good, don't get me wrong :))

fist_mlrs · Jul 3, 2003

looks like i messed up again, this version of kasbah is broken. i'll try to get a fixed one up as soon as possible

Freon · Jul 3, 2003

please rename the map if you issue a new version

fist_mlrs · Jul 3, 2003

no need to rename it as you can't play the old version unless you got 2.9 installed

the new version is up, and this time it should work... i hope

erehwoN · Jul 5, 2003

fist_mlrs said:
no need to rename it as you can't play the old version unless you got 2.9 installed

the new version is up, and this time it should work... i hope

Uhm....I know this has been mentioned before, but TBT has 2.9 specifically for the DS pack, nothing more. That was the original agreement.

fist_mlrs · Jul 5, 2003

i know, and i didn't inted anything else. but my harddisk space is limited and i can't install more then one infiltration installation for mapping. my mapping inf is 5gb huge since it contains all my mapping stuff.

a few weeks ago i was testing some eas stuff and ended up with accidental replacing my current kasbah version with the version i used to mess around. thats it. while checking out the eas stuff i placed an hidden actor within the map i forgot to remove later. this hidden (and in this case absolutely useless) actor resulted in problems with clean installs.

Gullonefox · Jul 5, 2003

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Originally Posted by fist_mlrs
no need to rename it as you can't play the old version unless you got 2.9 installed

the new version is up, and this time it should work... i hope
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Uhm....I know this has been mentioned before, but TBT has 2.9 specifically for the DS pack, nothing more. That was the original agreement.

Hate to be a pain here. But don't you mean TBT were suppose to work for 2.87? Oh, umm, yes, umm sorry..

Fenris · Jul 5, 2003

Hey, if we all try to exaggerate a bit more here, we might finally be able to have some full-scale scandal here.

Calm down everyone. Even those that declare they are calm.

I'll simply deploy my patented, free-of-charge omni-advice here :

"Use Common Sense" (TM)

Lightzout · Jul 5, 2003

Doesnt everyone already 2.9 anyway?

jaymian · Jul 5, 2003

Hope to see kasbah on a server near me

Cleeus[JgKdo] · Jul 6, 2003

kasbah possibly cannot be played with DTAS - the flag can be placed in that ABCD-spawnpoint-box and then no attacker will be able to reach it.

Fat Marrow · Jul 6, 2003

Cleeus[JgKdo] said:
kasbah possibly cannot be played with DTAS - the flag can be placed in that ABCD-spawnpoint-box and then no attacker will be able to reach it.

Does DTAS place flags at any navigation point, or just at pathnodes? If the latter, it should be ok (assuming there are no pathnodes in the ABCD-spawnpoint-box).

fist_mlrs · Jul 6, 2003

there are no pathnodes in the startbox, so there will be no flag. the pathnodes are placed in locations both teams can reach. there are no pthnodes close to any playerstarts, so a fair game should be possible. to my knowledge only the pathnodes are used for spawning the flag (would be kinda useless if its spawned at a playerstart).

mat69 · Jul 6, 2003

But that's the point, Cleeus was takling about DTAS, not about TAS. And in DTAS you can place the flag (everywhere) at the starting of the round, you don't have much time, so it will be maybe impossible to place it outside of this room. But who cares, nothing can be perfect.

w00p · Jul 6, 2003

A) It sounds kinda strange to have a DTAS flag at a playerstart. Don't forget that in INF there is an option to have respawns... so if those respawns where enabled, you simply can't catch that flag without killing the entire enemy team. Wich results in the round ending by killing, wich makes it so that there's no difference between TDM and DTAS with respawns.

B) If that is true, that though point A, playerstarts can still be used for placement of a DTAS flag, there would always still be the option of an optimized version. DM-INF-Kasbah-DTAS like fat marrow did with UKTown. Dumping the spawn box in that version. (though I'd hate to see it leave, it brings such variety in gameplay

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Fat Marrow · Jul 6, 2003

mat69 said:
But that's the point, Cleeus was takling about DTAS, not about TAS. And in DTAS you can place the flag (everywhere) at the starting of the round, you don't have much time, so it will be maybe impossible to place it outside of this room. But who cares, nothing can be perfect.

I was thinking of the D?TAS played on RA servers, which either includes or is always used with a random start mutator; in this case the playerstarts can be disregarded since they are never used as such (only pathnodes are), and the players will always start 'outside the box'.

Without random team starts (i.e. if playerstarts are actually used as such) there will be a problem, I guess, although not using random team starts in DTAS is no fun anyway

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