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The_Pikeman
30th Jun 2003, 12:33 PM
Sorry about the length

> > Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
> >
> > A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction, honey .
> >
> > Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction .
> >
> > A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them .
> >
> > Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
> >
> > A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections .
> >
> > Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of
mass
> > destruction, did we?
> >
> > A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll
find
> > something, probably right before the 2004 election .
> >
> > Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
> >
> > A: To use them in a war, silly .
> >
> > Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to
use
in
> > a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went
to
war
> > with them?
> >
> > A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those
weapons,
> > so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.
> >
> > Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if
they
had
> > all those big weapons to fight us back with?
> >
> > A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.
> >
> > Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those
weapons
> > our government said they did.
> >
> > A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those
> > weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.
> >
> > Q: And what was that?
> >
> > A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam
Hussein
> was
> > a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another
country
.
> >
> > Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his
> > country?
> >
> > A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.
> >
> > Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
> >
> > A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic
competitor,
> > where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make
U.S.
> > corporations richer .
> >
> > Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American
corporate
> > gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
> >
> > A: Right .
> >
> > Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
> >
> > A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government.
People
> > who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and
tortured.
> >
> > Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
> >
> > A: I told you, China is different .
> >
> > Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
> >
> > A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while
China
is
> > Communist .
> >
> > Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
> >
> > A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad .
> >
> > Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
> >
> > A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba
are
> sent
> > to prison and tortured .
> >
> > Q: Like in Iraq?
> >
> > A: Exactly .
> >
> > Q: And like in China, too?
> >
> > A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the
other
> hand,
> > is not.
> >
> > Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
> >
> > A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed
some
> laws
> > that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with
Cuba
> > until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists
like
us.
> >
> > Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and
started
> > doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become
> capitalists?
> >
> > A: Don't be a smart-ass.
> >
> > Q: I didn't think I was being one.
> >
> > A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba .
> >
> > Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
> >
> > A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam
Hussein
> > came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a
legitimate
> > leader anyway .
> >
> > Q: What's a military coup?
> >
> > A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a
country
> by
> > force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United
States
.
> >
> > Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
> >
> > A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan
is
> our
> > friend.
> >
> > Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
> >
> > A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.
> >
> > Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by
forcibly
> > overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an
illegitimate
> > leader?
> >
> > A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he
helped
> > us invade Afghanistan .
> >
> > Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
> >
> > A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.
> >
> > Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
> >
> > A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men (Fifteen of them Saudi
Arabians)
> > hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings,
killing
> over
> > 3,000 Americans.
> >
> > Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
> >
> > A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive
rule
> > of the Taliban.
> >
> > Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off
> > people's heads and hands?
> >
> > A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off
> > people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.
> >
> > Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million
dollars
back
> > in May of 2001?
> >
> > A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job
> > fighting drugs .
> >
> > Q: Fighting drugs?
> >
> > A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from
growing
> opium
> > poppies.
> >
> > Q: How did they do such a good job?
> >
> > A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban
would
> > have their hands and heads cut off .
> >
> > Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing
> > flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands
off
for
> > other
> > reasons?
> >
> > A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off
> people's
> > hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's
hands
> for
> > stealing bread .
> >
> > Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
> >
> > A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical
patriarchy
that
> > oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in
> > public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not
comply.
> >
> > Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
> >
> > A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.
> >
> > Q: What's the difference?
> >
> > A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest
yet
> > fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her
eyes
> > and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of
patriarchal
> > oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and
> fingers .
> >
> > Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name .
> >
> > A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis
are
> our
> > friends .
> >
> > Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th
were
> > from Saudi Arabia .
> >
> > A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan .
> >
> > Q: Who trained them?
> >
> > A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden .
> >
> > Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
> >
> > A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a
very
bad
> > man .
> >
> > Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once .
> >
> > A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet
invasion
of
> > Afghanistan back in the 1980s.
> >
> > Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald
Reagan
> > talked about?
> >
> > A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or
> > thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We
call
> > them Russians now .
> >
> > Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?
> >
> > A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years
after
> > they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our
> > invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the
> > French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq
either
> >
> > Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
> >
> > A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename
French
> fries
> > and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast .
> >
> > Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do
what we
> > want them to do?
> >
> > A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade .
> >
> > Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
> >
> > A: Well, yeah. For a while .
> >
> > Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
> >
> > A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him
our
> > friend, temporarily .
> >
> > Q: Why did that make him our friend?
> >
> > A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.
> >
> > Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
> >
> > A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we
looked
the
> > other way, to show him we were his friend.
> >
> > Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically
becomes
> > our friend?
> >
> > A: Most of the time, yes .
> >
> > Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is
automatically an
> > enemy?
> >
> > A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can
> profit
> > by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.
> >
> > Q: Why?
> >
> > A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for
> > America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes
> > war is a
godless
> > un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?
> >
> > Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
> >
> > A: Yes .
> >
> > Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
> >
> > A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells
him
> > what to do .
> >
> > Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because
> George
> > W. Bush hears voices in his head?
> >
> > A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your
> > eyes,make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night .
> >
> > Q: Good night, Daddy.
> > ><
> >
> >
>



-How.

masamax
30th Jun 2003, 12:53 PM
BWA HAHA! That was a great line of reasoning.

Freon
30th Jun 2003, 01:06 PM
Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
rofl :lol:

MetalMickey
30th Jun 2003, 01:14 PM
Class :)

Ranger 223
30th Jun 2003, 01:57 PM
:rolleyes: The war is over, let it go already...

G-Fresh
30th Jun 2003, 02:00 PM
No it isn't

MetalMickey
30th Jun 2003, 02:07 PM
The war is over, let it go already...

Guess what? War isnt something that just ends as soon as it dissapears off your TV.

BobTheFearlessFish
30th Jun 2003, 03:19 PM
rabger. by your line of reasoning if i i threaten to punch you in the head. and then i go about punching youy in the head (a lot). and then i stop. you should shut the **** up and stop worrying about it. considering the damage is done.

/\l!eN[RIP]
30th Jun 2003, 03:19 PM
It gets old the minute it isnt funny anymore...and this was definately funny. Not the least because it shows us a couple of painful thruths between the general funnieness.

Freon
30th Jun 2003, 03:22 PM
your all right, the war is over, stop complaining about the attack. BUT we can still bitch about the US occupation :D

DeMachina
30th Jun 2003, 03:28 PM
First, it's a joke. Read: haha, funny, :lol:. Get it?
Second, what's with the "Give me a fûcking break."? I thought it had been stated often enough that no one is attacking you.

Saladin
30th Jun 2003, 03:39 PM
when you set yourself open to it, it might as well happen. Criticism isnt bashing. This whole thing was created to make people laugh at bad choices made...thats all, no one is saying down with america lets burn some dirty whiteys here....when that happens, thats bashing.

edit: oh why not throw it in....

-Soldiers still dying, war not over.

-When the war is done, it doesnt make it any more right then when it started, so letting it go isnt warranted if you believe it was wrong. Itd be like letting hitler go at munich....

Kow
30th Jun 2003, 03:45 PM
Jesus, They are bashing the goverment. Not you, so stop taking it so ****ing personally.
The way you're acting right now just makes you more proof that goat is right.

Nightmare
30th Jun 2003, 03:53 PM
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Ranger 223
30th Jun 2003, 03:56 PM
jeasus christ people. I was only stating im tired of all this **** that was going on. i know soldiers are still dieing, you know that fella who was sniped in the hummvee? yeah, that was my brother. Christ.

Sorry i dont find consistant bashing of the country i love "humorous" :mad:

TheShiningWizard
30th Jun 2003, 04:01 PM
Prepare to read some rants on Nationalism.

Freon
30th Jun 2003, 04:04 PM
Sorry i dont find consistant bashing of the country i love "humorous" :mad:
you're not your country. period.


edit: each time i heard something about france it usually involves the words "frog", "surrender" or "stinky" and yet i'm not bitching at everybody, take some distance ranger ;)

RogueLeader
30th Jun 2003, 04:05 PM
Assuming nationalist mode:

Oh noes, someone pointed out that Bush is teh li4r. They gave aid and comfort to the enemy! Exposing teh ev4l li3s makes them a t3rr0r1st!

BobTheFearlessFish
30th Jun 2003, 04:23 PM
ranger. think about what your government has done. if you agree. then fight for it. if you dont agree then dont fight for it. dont start some bull**** about 'american bashing' and then get all suprised when somebody thinks otherwise and tells you so.

Ranger 223
30th Jun 2003, 04:44 PM
im not getting all surprised, im getting tired of it :mad:

I know you distance yourself from it freon, but when it's something that you, and your family/friends are fighting for, it IS personal :mad:

Forget i ****ing said anything, because obviously no matter what, as i said, the USA is evil. I'll piss off. Good day to you all.

sublime
30th Jun 2003, 04:47 PM
You realize of course, by attacking a nation as a whole, you too are guilty of being a nationalist of sorts. You talk of the whole - the nation, not the politician, the individuals, or the members of the nation-state, grouping them together as the object of your joke or your hatred. By referring to the collective as a whole, not a group of individuals, you attack the individual by proxy. And you wonder why some leap to defend themselves. Take a step or two back and consider things from that perspective.

And yes, it's quite true that many nations shrug off these jokes and hatreds (Freon's beloved France comes to mind as it is the recipient of both jokes and hatred alike on a rather large scale as well) but you must ask yourself why they do so. France herself was a fiercely nationalist state for quite some time in the 18th century as it was a conscious choice of the leaders of the day to attempt to bind the nation together in culture, language, customs, and laws. Perhaps today's anti-nationalist feelings there are a backlash of a previous time. This is all speculation of course. Perhaps there will come a time when America is anti-nationalist as well, only time will tell.

Personally, I do my best to treat everyone as an individual, not as the member of any certain country or continent. I've met too many people from too many places to allow my views to be clouded by anything as nasty as preconceptions. ;)

MetalMickey
30th Jun 2003, 06:46 PM
You realize of course, by attacking a nation as a whole, you too are guilty of being a nationalist of sorts.

The point is that this humour, and people in general, arent attacking the US as a whole. They are attacking the policy of the current US government. The problem lies in some people being unable to differentiate between the two due to the being raised in such a nationalistic environment.

masamax
30th Jun 2003, 07:41 PM
My real problem is how suddenly it's unpatriotic to question the actions of the government? You know what happened the last time it was unpatriotic to do that? Kent State shootings. I suggest anyone who doesn't know about that search it up, because it is a perfect example of how even the USA can get so caught up in controlling dissent that it can kill people over it.

The_Pikeman
30th Jun 2003, 08:51 PM
The war is over, let it go already...
Wrong just like afganistan {SP?} is'nt over. Just because people like george bush say on TV that it's over dosen't mean this is fact. Look at the last few days, if anything the war is just begining, and the US's actions arn't helping

jeasus christ people. I was only stating im tired of all this **** that was going on.
Well your out of luck the repercussions of this war will be long lasting and people will talk about it.

you know that fella who was sniped in the hummvee? yeah, that was my brother. Christ
I'm sorry for your loss.

Sorry i dont find consistant bashing of the country i love "humorous"
Why is this ... if it's funny and not ment as an insult I can not see any problem. I have lost count of the times the scum across the bridge have made fun of me because I'm welsh. Dose this make me hate them? No. Learn to take things like this because you'll get it where ever you go.


but when it's something that you, and your family/friends are fighting for, it IS personal
Maybe you should take a step back and look at things with out involving these feelings. People I know are over there dosen't make me feel mad at people questioning the war.


You realize of course, by attacking a nation as a whole, you too are guilty of being a nationalist of sorts.
The problem is all humans do it. It's not just nations either you get the same thing with towns and even parts of towns

Personally, I do my best to treat everyone as an individual, not as the member of any certain country or continent. I've met too many people from too many places to allow my views to be clouded by anything as nasty as preconceptions.
Wise words

-How.

Chillinzebra
30th Jun 2003, 09:32 PM
Just read about the kent state shootings... Terrible buisness that.

Frighteningly disturbing aswell.

As for the rest, that thing was bloody hilarious :D Worth a few laughs :)

OICW
1st Jul 2003, 12:01 AM
It's hilarious because it's true :D

das_ben
1st Jul 2003, 07:51 AM
That's fucking great. :lol:

Rostam
1st Jul 2003, 08:13 AM
The way I see it, this article is spot on. And extremely amusing at the same time.

sublime: when you bash a nation for it's choices in foreign affaires you bash the country's foreign policy. Which does not make it nationalistic at all, because every damn country on this globe sucks at it's foreign policy.

Of course the US is the worst.
:)

sublime
1st Jul 2003, 08:26 AM
Rostam, the problem is, that it's rarely the foreign policy alone that's attacked. People don't say, "I hate America's foreign policy." but rather, "I can't stand America." This obviously isn't the case in every situation, but it is one I see quite a bit of. Even if subsequent statements do single out one aspect of the country or its government, the general tone often comes across as one of disliking the whole, whether that's intentional or not.

I'm hardly an American apologist either. I disagree wholeheartedly with much of our current foreign policy, especially in light of the fact that many domestic affairs are in a bit of disarray, especially education (something near and dear to my heart as a teacher). I'd be all for return to isolationism but people would still hate the government for not doing enough. All in all, it doesn't matter what the US does, it's going to piss someone off. ;)

Crazy_Ivan
1st Jul 2003, 09:21 AM
Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works
That one is unbeatable

The war is over, let it go already... if you take the definition of war as being two or more armies representing an equal number of sitting governments fighting each other, it's over.
And as the saddam government somehow disappeared overnight it is over (as a war)
But fighting isn't over yet, and the resistance seems too organized to be just a bunch of frustrated rebels.