Powermac G5 !!!!

[ZenPirate]

Woo-fecking-hoo !!!!
Yes, they are expensive... but in some tests they SMOKE the 3ghz P4's.
http://www.apple.com for specs, and info

[ZenPirate]

speedy

[KJAX]

Yes, they are expensive but sexy. :D

[fyfe]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
Now why can't PCs look that good?

1.6Ghz £1,549 (£2,098 w/ 17" Monitor)
1.8Ghz £1,849 (£2,398 w/ 17" Monitor)
Dual 2.0Ghz £2,229 (£2,847.99 w/ 17" Monitor)

Amazing spec but expensive, and no monitor. Better start saving :D

[G-Lite]

Uch... where the hell am I gonna get 3330 euro? I want one of those. :D

[BesigedB]

i just watched the entire keynote speech (two hours)

the first bit was better (explaining 10.3)

[namu]

For 3330 euro you're not going to find any faster Windows PC... because there ain't such a thing :D

More seriously, I've started saving since February and so far I only got ~500 euro :( And My holydays are gonna make a big dent into this.

[ZenPirate]

I have yet to see keynote. I'm setting up the new iChat (with audio/visual !!) and Safari 1.0 (hooray !!)

Also released are new webcams (uber cool looking) and info on Panther.

With the prices on the G5, I may have a tough time buying one. Though if I do, the middle one seems the best bet, with pci-x slots.

[fyfe]

Will all PC manufacturers please read this (http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html).

Why do PC owners have to put up with this
http://a1344.g.akamai.net/7/1344/51/900c203718ebc8/www.apple.com/powermac/images/designclutter06232003.jpg
When Mac owners get the G5 :eek2:

[ZenPirate]

It's called innovation. It's what Apple does best, and now even better with Motorola out of the way. Didn't Steve say we will have 3ghz 64bit processors in a few months ? That and DVD transfered in a second ? That's what I'm reading on the web, from keynote. Not confirmed yet.

[ZenPirate]

Oh snap ! iChat AV rocks !! Real time audiovisual chat. Check out the skinny, here: http://www.apple.com/ichat/


The new webcam "iSight" :
(Come on now.. admit you all want a mac :D )

[fyfe]

(Come on now.. admit you all want a mac :D )
Only if you buy me a G5 :D

[ZenPirate]

hell, I'm trying tofigure out how to buy myself one :D
I may just say screw it and get an iMac when Panther comes out. I'll have to see how good income tax returns are ;)

BTW - namu, or any other mac user... have you tried out iChat AV yet ? Since I still need a webcam, I'm gonna order one of those iSights soon :) If you wanna add me, it's asiebold_at_mac_dot_com (note my spam-bot proofing)

[NeoNite]

It's been a while I've worked with a mac, but they're good. Last time I worked with a g3 and G4.

You'd be a fool to choose a pc over a mac when it comes to "graphics editing" (photoshop etc...)

[Beowolf]

Does it matter, though? What good is all of that if it only has like 5 games that can be played on it.

[ZenPirate]

Games aren't everything in life.

[Beowolf]

Games aren't everything in life.

Blasphemy!

Yes, but not much else requires that amount of power. So you're just paying for stuff you'll never use.

[tarquin]

cool :D

not sure about the brushed metal look in the new Finder though. And the curved file names highlights -- yuck.

[Twisted Metal]

I wouldn't want a Mac, because nothing runs on it. Most of the games I buy are for Windows PC only.

That Mac would make a decent word processor though.

[ZenPirate]

Adobe photoshop benchmark runs 2.1 times faster on the dual G5 than on the fastest dual P4 Xeon machine available !!

[SugarBear]

mac sucks, you can get PC's just as fast that fit in just as small of a case, smaller even.

you can fully make a case any way you want and shuttle, among others has been making cube cases just like th G5 for years, they aren't innovative at all.

with webchat and other progs you have been able to do realtime audio visual with a pc for years and the PC gadgets are way cooler.

pcs have one huge advantage over macs....Upgradable, you buy a mac you're pretty much stuck with it for good.

faster than a PC? yeah, right now, it's faster, but in two months PCs will be way faster and will continue to grow in speed while the mac will wait another two years before it comes out with anything.

mac gaming=NO

mac new type cooling solutions=NO

the mac is kind of OK if you want to do movie making, or do some images, but anymore PCs are just as good and light years ahead if you're a pro.

bottom line Macs have no major advantage, especially non that warrent the price.

that cool MP3 player on the other hand, is pretty awesome.

[Gir]

Macs have always looked better than any PC I've ever seen. Internally, so to speak.

[ZenPirate]

mac sucks, you can get PC's just as fast that fit in just as small of a case, smaller even.

you can fully make a case any way you want and shuttle, among others has been making cube cases just like th G5 for years, they aren't innovative at all.

with webchat and other progs you have been able to do realtime audio visual with a pc for years and the PC gadgets are way cooler.

pcs have one huge advantage over macs....Upgradable, you buy a mac you're pretty much stuck with it for good.

faster than a PC? yeah, right now, it's faster, but in two months PCs will be way faster and will continue to grow in speed while the mac will wait another two years before it comes out with anything.

mac gaming=NO

mac new type cooling solutions=NO

the mac is kind of OK if you want to do movie making, or do some images, but anymore PCs are just as good and light years ahead if you're a pro.

bottom line Macs have no major advantage, especially non that warrent the price.

that cool MP3 player on the other hand, is pretty awesome.



The G5 just made everything you said false.
I'd say think demonstrates the G5 spanks anything you can buy.
http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

[Selerox]

The G5 suffers from the "too much/too few" problem that all Macs suffer from.

Too much money.
Too few games.

If I had an unlimited budget I might buy it, but as a realistic alternative, the Mac really doesn't stand a chance, despite it's performance.

[Beowolf]

I agree with Selerox.

Certainly a nice machine, but it's like "All dressed up and no place to go."

[NeoNite]

Pfffffffffffff.. always the same counter arguement: macs suck cause there aren't enough games available cry cry boohoo.. nyah :rolleyes:
Pf, is that the only reason you people can come up with?
Too much money? Go buy an I-mac.
I'm fed up with this crap.

Games aren't the most important thing on a mac/pc.
Far from it even.

[Beowolf]

I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that the only thing that really requires so much power (of which the G5 offers) is games.

[ZenPirate]

^ you can't really think that? Can you ?

[Beowolf]

I can, and I do.

I'm sure their are movie making programs and such that require a fair amount of power, but that is a very small amount compared to games.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[tool]

Zenpirate, im saving my money for a G5. :D

just took a look at these and they look awsome, plus very powerful, im getting one. :)

and 3d animation programs require FAR FAR FAR more power then games. Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within needed 160 computers to render.

And guess what computer is used the most for this sort of thing? Macs. Pretty much all 3d animation studio's use macs to do 3d animation because they are capable of handling it, they are built for that sort of thing even.

[ZenPirate]

I can, and I do.

I'm sure their are movie making programs and such that require a fair amount of power, but that is a very small amount compared to games.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You're wrong. try compiling Gentoo from source. compiling music is also a lot more intensive than games, as are heavy graphics rendering (think Shrek, gollem from LoTR).

[RandoM]

damn thats one hell of a machine. i was coming here to post the same thread but you ebat me to it!

[KJAX]

Viva la Steve Jobs! Viva la Steve Jobs. :D

[Beowolf]

You're wrong. try compiling Gentoo from source. compiling music is also a lot more intensive than games, as are heavy graphics rendering (think Shrek, gollem from LoTR).

Alright, I concede :)

[Clayeth]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
Now why can't PCs look that good?

1.6Ghz £1,549 (£2,098 w/ 17" Monitor)
1.8Ghz £1,849 (£2,398 w/ 17" Monitor)
Dual 2.0Ghz £2,229 (£2,847.99 w/ 17" Monitor)

Amazing spec but expensive, and no monitor. Better start saving :D
They can, just not from the major companies :lol:

and :tup: for apple getting the first mainstream 64-bit non-server processor out on the market.

[TWD]

I can see wanting this for doing 3dgraphics. Then again the people that make final fantasy don't use some regular pc that you and me might make. They use special high end systems with special kinds of video cards built specifically to process that sort of thing, that are so powerfull we can only imagine.

They're pretty much right. The only program that really needs that much power is a game and since apples have few games it's not really worth it. Besides the apple benchmarks mean nothing to me. I need to see benchmarks from a 3rd party source that uses a game engine I know a lot about like the unreal engine.

[ZenPirate]

so then... if the only reason there is to own a high powered computer is gaming...hell this is going nowhere fast . Time to go back to the xbox.

[Clayeth]

TWD: Maybe the people who do photo and video editing professionally, but don't work for a massive corporation want something to do their work on without having to buy a super computer? It definately has its spot. Plus, if that power is available, current apple software can be improved to do things that might be impossible on less powerful machines.

[Swarthy_Foreskin]

My dad works for a pretty big newspaper, and pretty much the entire creative portion of the paper uses macintosh. Just thought I'd throw that in.

[TWD]

Ok the only reason that 75% of the people that visit the forum would need a high powered computer is for gaming.

As for using it for making 3dgraphics etc. From what I saw on their site Maya unlimited is for mac only although there is a mac version of maya complete. I coudlnt' find much on discreets site but when I goto download the patch for 3dsmax it asks to select platform and it only lists windows operating systems, so I'd assume there is no mac version.

[ZenPirate]

Ever here of Shake (http://www.apple.com/shake/) ?

[SugarBear]

well, Square, according to the Final Fantasy DVD and the computers you can see in the backgrounds of The Animatrix, use PC only, not home bought PC, but PC none the less.

for people who have no idea what they're doing and want to play around with video and sound editing, there is no machine better than a mac. but those people don't need that much power, they'll never have anything big enough, because by the time they learn how to edit video and music properly they switch over to a PC or other non-mac machine.

anyone I've seen who develops movies or sound professionally, or even games uses non-mac based machines.

they only people other than home users who want to say they have more power than intel or AMD are offices, and people who want to have a cute little user friendly machine.

they are user friendly, but I think that's because they assume that their users are fairly brain-dead.

/edit, I just noticed that mac's major claim to fame in the movie making world is The Hulk, which everyone with taste agrees is one of the most poorly animated characters ever.

[Clayeth]

TWD: Apple is probably doing better now than they ever have, it's kind of hard to make the argument that their computers are useless. You're about 10 years too late :lol:

[SugarBear]

at any rate, before flamage starts up, to each his own, if you all think that mac is better than PC that's fine, you can all be wrong together.

I'll stick here with my AMD powered PCs, content that I do no gaming or video editing and that I could probably do everything I do on a computer in a normal day from a Pentium 1

[.altan]

If you're rendering Shrek, Final Fantasy et cetera you don't really render it on one machine :p

[pReTTy_vAcaNt]

I'm still on the ol' G4, and it's done really good for the past... 2 years has it been? well anyways it's been a great comp and my only regret for this thing is well... NOT ENOUGH GAMES OUT! I can't play great games like BF1942 and Baldur's Gate 2. But anyways the G4 looks great :)

[Metakill]

/edit, I just noticed that mac's major claim to fame in the movie making world is The Hulk, which everyone with taste agrees is one of the most poorly animated characters ever.

Jurassic Park, also.

However, in the end, a computer is only as good as what you can get out of it. I would say, no contest the G5s are more powerful, but guess what? PCs are going to make the transition (finally) to the faster RISC architecture soon. Everything gets more powerful.

For the average end user who simply wants the most access to whats available, PC is better. For both beginners who just want something simple and reliable and serious coders/computer-geeks the Mac is a better platform (for those who are really into the way their OS and architecture works). If your just a gamer, why would you get a mac? Macs are for people who love computers, not just video games.

[namu]

Now the anti-Mac trolls can only resort to the 1995-old argument "not enough games on a Mac". :D

I hear Pro/Eng is being ported to MacOS X. Also, the dual 2 GHz G5 gets well over 300 fps on Quake 3 with every option maxed out and no custom chunksize / other special setting. It'll make a fine gaming rig, too. I expect more games will make it to the Mac now.

[tarquin]

and the new version of the OS ships with X11.

Doesn't this mean you can run any Linux or Unix stuff on it?

[ZenPirate]

Yes, but you can use x11 on mac right now as a seperate download. I run openoffice, and Gimp on my iBook.

[namu]

There's also a GPL'd version of Qt available ;)

Now there's only Motif missing.

[G-Lite]

There's also a GPL'd version of Qt available ;)

Now there's only Motif missing.

Qt _is_ gpl'ed. :)
But it sux bad. GTK+ baby! ;)

[fyfe]

well, Square, according to the Final Fantasy DVD and the computers you can see in the backgrounds of The Animatrix, use PC only, not home bought PC, but PC none the less.
You weren't looking to hard then, all the backgrounds in FF were do in photoshop on a mac.

If Intel/AMD go ahead with Palladium I think you'll see people moving to mac or looking for an alternative.

The only thing stopping me from getting a mac at the moment is the price it's also the only thing stoping me from getting another PC. If I could afford it I would have a PC for gameing and a Mac for everything else (internet, word processor, linux, artwork).

[namu]

You just have to wait for these models to become second-hand when people move to the dual 3GHz G5 next year ;) By that time the nowadays' G5s will be somewhere around $1200 to $2300 while the G4s prices will have gone under the ground, somewhere between $300 to $600.

[namu]

and the new version of the OS ships with X11.

Doesn't this mean you can run any Linux or Unix stuff on it?
We've been able do run Unix apps since version 1.0, for example I personally ported the Dsniff package of network tools more than a year ago. There's been TheGimp, Gnome-based apps, WindowMaker-based apps, I have an old old screenie showing Gnome and XChat running alongside typical Mac apps.

[WebSlinger]

are there benchmarks of this thing against AMD Opteron processors? Contrary to what they're saying... the G5 is not the first desktop 64-bit processor. Also does the G5's processor support 32-bit mac applications?

[KliwX]

I'm ac Mac user but I don't buy all of what Steve said last night.
http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
I'm sure that the G5 will be great machines but I don't think they will beat the s*** out of Intel-compatibel machines.

With that said, I really, really looking forward to lay my hands on one G5 and run Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) on it. Some stunning features in the 10.3 were showned yesterday.

[BesigedB]

DVD transfered in a second ?

you could transfer a dvd to memory in a second. the superdrive aint that good yet :lol:

[namu]

KliwX: read that already. The SPL guy has no clue. Both G5 and PC benchmarks produced by Apple and VeriTest are RAW and UNOPTIMISED without using special glitches in compilers, as opposed to the ones he used, that are from Dell and AMD. I'll try to make that simple for you:
Apple says that if you compare raw processing power of both architectures the G5 comes out on top.
This SPL guy claims that it is a better benchmark of performance to get whatever specially compiled benchmark results of PCs to compare with the RAW, UNOPTIMISED Apple benchs of the G5. The truth is it only shows which compiler is best ;)
[Edit]Example out of the guy's claims: he says that Apple disabled SSE2 for the tests. But he does not mention that Apple also disabled Altivec on the G5 ! And then he compares a fully-optimised benchmark of the PC, taken from the vendor's site, to the non-altivec using, non-optimised bench of the G5 ! And the crackpot's shot at how using "2999" instead of "3000" is misleading the public is just plain ridiculous.

In any case, the real-world apps tests were quite an eye-opener: in eMagic, Luxology, Photoshop and Mathematica, the G5 proved twice as fast. It is that simple.

[Original9]

Oh boy! Now my 1.6gig PS project will save in 3 seconds!

No, seriously, it looks nice.

[tool]

and I would like to bring up an ironic fact, Bungie uses mac's to make there games. Halo was made on a mac. :D

[Clayeth]

Xbox games made on Macs, now THAT is funny!!! :lol: