Fa Mas

[MadWolf]

http://lostbrothers.ofpmatch.com/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/work/FAMAS7.jpg
Fa Mas With M203?
Is It Possible??
(picture taken from op. Flashpoint, sorry if it is dark)

[Puncher]

Yes, although the G2 version has a "lip" on the front which normally prevents of a M203. Ask Shakken for more detail :)

[ShakKen]

Yep, it's possible. But that's most certainly the wrong mount, and the cocking handle is backwards.

[RAZZ]

no, ofp is right
is everyone in france thats wrong :p
[/sarcasm]

mount looks semi correct to me.
well, accurate as anything in that game gets anyways.

[ShakKen]

RAZZ: That's why I'm a Special Operations Consultant and you're not ;)

You can't use the FAMAS F1 mount on a G2 because of the lip at the end of the lower receiver(not to mention the mounting slot beneath the handguard has been redesigned.)

[Holy]

it's G1 on razz's pic, right ?

[RAZZ]

yup, I think so
g2 has that larger handguard

why stick with a 203 tho?
http://www.grpwrct.com/images/Airsoft/famasb/FAMAS-Grenade.jpg

[ShakKen]

Holy:G1s never entered French service

[Scythe]

why dont we just use the rifle rocket thingy that razz had in his pic? looks awesome

[SaraP]

That's a rifle grenade. Rifle grenades kick ass.

[Tiffy]

Thats really going to hurt if he pulls the trigger. Those bloody things kick like a mule, infact the 7.62 Rifle Grenades where fired with the butt of the rifle on the ground, not in your shoulder.

Hes going to know what s hes been doing tomorrow :hmm:

[SaraP]

Originally posted by Tiffy
Thats really going to hurt if he pulls the trigger. Those bloody things kick like a mule, infact the 7.62 Rifle Grenades where fired with the butt of the rifle on the ground, not in your shoulder.

Hes going to know what s hes been doing tomorrow :hmm:

Really? So it's kinda like a mini-mortar?

[Tiffy]

Yep, just like a mini mortar. Thata shoot thru rifle greande. You fire a normal round that passes through the centre of the rifle greande. As it passes through it initiates the propellant charge in the greande which then flies to the target.

The British Army use a bullet trap greande, but the priciples exactly the same.

The felt recoil from a 5.56mm rifle greande is considerable, the energy being around 100J instead of the normal 4J when firing the British Rifle Grenade from the L85 rifle. Thats like a felt recoil 20 times greater.

[RAZZ]

question: on a shoot through grenade like that one, shouldent the recoil be lower?
and what about blowback? that guys got no eye protection.
cause it sounds to me like more of an rpg in principle.

nother silly question, how does one actually aim a famas rifle grenade?
(of the few photos I got, I see nothing looking like a ladder site)

[Tiffy]

You use the rifles normal sight to aim, you can get a sight unit but there never fitted. You don't shoot rifle grenades over long distances, so the rifle sights will do.

The propelling charge is all expended by the time the grenade leaves the end of the barrel so there is no 'blow back' effect at all.

The recoil is cause by the grenades propellant charge and NOT by the round. So shooting through or in to, or even using a blank to fire the grenade isn't going to effect the recoil much. The shoot through type of grenade are shorter ranged and less accurate as well as being more expensive and harder to make. Hence they are a bit of a rearity. I was surprised to see that this French grenade was shoot through. Bullet trap grenades are by far the most common type.

[asmodeus]

I can't believe they got the cocking handle wrong....:con:

[SaraP]

So, the rifle shot just triggers the grenade? I always thought the grenade was propelled BY the rifle...oops, on second thought, there's no way a teeny little rifle cartridge has enough power to propel a bigass grenade like that. Oops!

[DamienW]

Erh, is that FAMAS in standard OFP, or is it in a mod ?

[Snakeye]

To my knowledge it has to be a mod, since neither OFP nor Red Hammer has the FAMAS.

Snakeye :D

[ShakKen]

Doesn't surprise me that anything in Flashpoint is wrong. Bohemia managed to get forward assists on BOTH sides of the M16 from the get go.

Red Hammer is even more of a laugh (G36s didn't even exist in 1975, and wtf would it and AUGs be douing being toted by the yanks?).

Not to mention the mission scenarios can get pretty damned rediculous.

I could go on, but the Flashpoint worshipping bitches would stone me.

And for the record, If somebody says 'VBS-1', the Marines are after the engine, not the game.

[The_Fur]

as i said, engine good game bad. A lot of games like that have been coming out lately. Only difference is BIS doesn't want people to mod they want to suck the game for as much cash as they can by simple making sure nobody mods so they have to buy their expansions.

[DarkBls]

Originally posted by RAZZ
yup, I think so
g2 has that larger handguard

why stick with a 203 tho?
http://www.grpwrct.com/images/Airsoft/famasb/FAMAS-Grenade.jpg

Yes it kicks like hell. But they are thaugh to be fired from shoulder.

[asmodeus]

notice how he holds the stock with his other hand, might be to hold the recoil a bit and not let his shoulder take it all...

[Puncher]

I would say it's the exact opposite: he is using the other hand to further push the stock into the shoulder. That way the whole shoulder/side of body can absorb the recoil.
If you accidentally left a bit of space between the stock and shoulder, the gun would slam into your shoulder. You could even break a collarbone like that.

[shadowkil]

What Puncher said. When I started shooting the M1 Garand, one string I didn't have a good stock weld or a tight enough position and ended up with a fat lip and a sore shoulder*. Once I fixed this by having the rifle tight in against my shoulder and my cheek tight against my thumb on the stock, this problem went away. You don't want to give it room to movely freely, instead you want to absorb it into your body.

edit: * IIRC my jaw was also a bit sore. the coaches had two things to say regarding position - if being in position doesn't hurt, you're doing it wrong. if when you fire the recoil hurts, you're doing it wrong.

[St0rmcaller]

Originally posted by shadowkil
the coaches had two things to say regarding position - if being in position doesn't hurt, you're doing it wrong.[/i]

Sounds like them coaches need to start teaching the concept of snapping in. Train your body in those painful positions, and your body becomes used to them . A couple hours a day for about a week and you'd see the difference.

[shadowkil]

Originally posted by St0rmcaller


Sounds like them coaches need to start teaching the concept of snapping in. Train your body in those painful positions, and your body becomes used to them . A couple hours a day for about a week and you'd see the difference.

Keep in mind that this was an introductory class and we've only been shooting highpower for a couple of weeks - quite possibly they meant 'for right now' as a lot of people were complaining about the discomfort ;)

edit: btw, USMC is offering a civilian marksmanship clinic in may - do you know anything about this program, St0rm? I'd be pretty surprised if they taught much different from the head instructor of the class I just took - unless I've been misinformed he's an old jarhead himself (I'm just a little slow sometimes hehe) also, this class i just took was a very basic starter class to get people into the sport - consists of about 12 hours class time, 12-15 hours range time (including pulling targets). it's expected that if we're actually interested that we show up at WTBN every weekend; the class is just to get us rolling so they don't have to waste time showing us the very basic stuff on weekend practices. so far i'm having a great time and plan to keep it up :D

[St0rmcaller]

Hmm. Haven't heard of it to be honest. Could you tell me where and when this is being held? Might be I could found who is teaching the class, I might even know him. Feel sorry for the bastard, having to work the weekends though. WTBN is one of the less "nicer" jobs out there. :D

[shadowkil]

Originally posted by St0rmcaller
Hmm. Haven't heard of it to be honest. Could you tell me where and when this is being held? Might be I could found who is teaching the class, I might even know him. Feel sorry for the bastard, having to work the weekends though. WTBN is one of the less "nicer" jobs out there. :D

It's at WTBN at MCB Quantico. I think the class is going to be mid May or something like that. As for the guy who taught the class I just took, that's Jim Morgan. I think he's retired USMC, but I could easily be mistaken on that part. Jim's heavily involved with the state rifle team and such. He didn't give us any names of who'd be teaching the class in May, just that the Marines would be offering it free of charge and that it would be a good idea to take advantage of it.

Btw, I thought WTBN is basically what you do? If not, what's the difference? =)