Strike Forces get's some women modelsÉ

[GunGirl]

man am I torn between my desires to not play a mod i really dislike and finally play a realism mod with a female model :( hmmmm i think i'll wait for infiltration to get one rather than subject myself that, hell i've been waiting this long :)

but anyways
http://se.fs.mgon.com/scaled/w-640h--151587_sf_fem2.jpg

[Goat Fucker]

Sorry to break this to you, but women are not Milspec :D

[Catalyst]

Originally posted by Goat ****er
Sorry to break this to you, but women are not Milspec :D
:lol:

[DarkBls]

THere are some in regular army.
Since INF is not only special force, it need some female models too

[DLL]

While we’re adding female models, how about we add “fat guy” and “blind guy” models as well. We don’t want to discriminate.

Political correctness & feminism aside, 99% of the time a woman is not going to be as effective as a man in combat. I have no problem with women soldiers if they can meet and/or exceed the physical requirements of the job.

GF put it well. Women are just not milspec. It's like making battleships out of wood instead of steel because we don't want to discriminate. Does wood work? Yes. Is it the best? Nope.

Okay GunGirl, tell me what a pig I am. :D

[Snake13]

I tend to agree here simply because 99.99% of the soldiers represented in INF would be male, and if Female models were introduced then like 50% of the people would use female models cause they think it will make them harder to hit

[fist_mlrs]

thats not the reason why there are no female playermodels in inf. infiltration uses hundreds of animations, far more than the sf models. it would just be to much work to redo all animations for female models

[Ballistophobia]

Whoa, you can kill women in SF now? I can't wait! >;]

[Excelsiore]

70% of the $2 Trillion, 5 year, military budget will be going to overhead and infrastructure.

I guess it won't be long before men aren't milspec either with those kinds of costs.

[shadowkil]

Actually women tend to be excellent marksmen. I believe Russia employed a number of women snipers in the second world war, but I'd have to double check that. Also IIRC we do employ women as combat pilots now, so it is not unfeasable for one to end up in combat (see courage under fire as a not completely unreasonable hollywood example). Of course, I'm not aware of any female infantry. Wait, I take that back. A friend of mine joined the Army, and I seem to recall paratrooper and something about her injuring her foot in jump school and getting a few weeks leave or some such. This was a few years ago and I'm not in contact with her any more, but I believe that was the case... hrm. Any servicemen here know if we are putting women in line infantry units now?

[ElectricSheep]

thats not the reason why there are no female playermodels in inf. infiltration uses hundreds of animations, far more than the sf models. it would just be to much work to redo all animations for female models

Actually, since Infiltration employs a skeletal animation system for the player models, this is not very hard to do at all.

This is one of the reasons why it is desireable to implement a skeletal animation system in the first place.

[Kow]

I don't know about USA but in Sweden we have female infantries and we got no problems with it.

[asmodeus]

is it just me or she's dispropornionate and deformed?:(

[RogueLeader]

Political correctness & feminism aside, 99% of the time a woman is not going to be as effective as a man in combat. I have no problem with women soldiers if they can meet and/or exceed the physical requirements of the job.
I think the women snipers of the Soviet military, which turned dozens of Nazi soldiers from humans into individual body parts, and were a major part of the Soviet Union winning World War II for the Allies, would disagree. Not to say women are always as effective of men, but to say that 99% are not as effective is a vast overstatement.

Women should be in Inf, but considering they are less plentiful in real life militaries, I don't think it should be something that a lot of effort should go into at the time.

I think it is something that should be done once more features, weapons, and maps are in. Why doesn't someone try to make a third party female model for Inf? Seems like if the Inf team is busy, someone with talent in modelling could try one making one on their own.

[(:Tierra:)]

i agree rogue. female's should be included in. common even UT has female models :)

[(:Tierra:)]

oh, and about the part about SF being first one with female models? your wrong. SF was the first game with screenies of female models, but it was already planned in the next version of TO (teh retail one of course :))

[RogueLeader]

If you refer only to plans for female models, then wouldn't Inf win? I thought the official position has been that female models would eventually be put in, but it just wasn't a priority at the moment due to their scarcity in most armed forces.

[A_Rimmerlister]

Originally posted by ElectricSheep

Actually, since Infiltration employs a skeletal animation system for the player models, this is not very hard to do at all.

This is one of the reasons why it is desireable to implement a skeletal animation system in the first place.
*ahem* I thought women have a different 'walk-animation' (because their hips are built slightly differently) ...
So if you were to do what you said you would have men pretending to be women and not 'real' women ;)

besides : I didn't know that red lips were considered camouflage in the military :D
The 'average' female soldiers I've seen make 'GunGirl' look like a supermodel ...

[A_Rimmerlister]

and they call this one a 'female' model ?
I thought it was a guy with lipstick ...

[RogueLeader]

Looks to me like the distorted a male model at the hips and that was it.

[McMuffin]

The thing is beauty and toughness are almost universally exclusive... I doubt there are many models/actessses who would make effective soldiers. Similarly, there probably aren't a lot of soldier women who could be models :con:

[the vrrc]

I think the women snipers of the Soviet military, which turned dozens of Nazi soldiers from humans into individual body parts, and were a major part of the Soviet Union winning World War II for the Allies, would disagree.
LAMO!

[Goat Fucker]

You'd have to go outside of the US to find combat active female infantry, and even then its scarce, women still cant be send into combat here either, or should i say last i heard, but i seriously doubt that has changed without it beeing everywhere in the news :D

However women have seen combat, russia is an exelent example, Vietnam an even better one (and yes, the "long haired army" will be in P19), time will tell.

Ohh, and thouse SF models are horrid, as per usuall, first they looked like monkeys, then aliens...now transvestism?

[the vrrc]

Ohh, and thouse SF models are horrid, as per usuall, first they looked like monkeys, then aliens...now transvestism?

Maybe the modelers/skinners have no one else to base their models and skins on?

They might live on an alien run monkey preserve and they themselves are transvestites? <--- Do not take seriously. I bet the aliens wouldn't bother their time to run a monkey preserve.

[spm1138]

What about Israel?

[McMuffin]

Ohh, and thouse SF models are horrid, as per usuall, first they looked like monkeys, then aliens...now transvestism?
:lol:

[The_Fur]

BTW it's not like stalin said women make excellent shots lets put em on the front lines. Women in the russian army were allowed out of nescessity (after trying to fight the germans with waves and waves of men hoping they'd run out of ammo you have to start putting women in :D) not because they were better at anything.

Just like the exploits of people like vasilli zaitsev the effectiveness of snipers both men and women were highly inflated for propaganda purposes leaving the image of some uber-1337 super accurate men and women who roamed the battlefield mowing down axis troops left and right.

[RogueLeader]

Who said anything about mowing people down? It is a fact that women were among the most effective snipers in the Russian military. And Zaitsev really did have a rather large kill count before it was inflated.

[Ace[INF]]

how tragic. i mean if you're a girl and, like Gun Girl, you're excited that you can finally play as a female, i'm sincerely happy for you. but honestly, if i were a girl, i'd be pissed as hell that that is how they choose represent their female role model. and i'll tell you, i'm embarrassed just as a guy now. thanks all you SF players for being like "can you make the boobs bigger? :D ". and thanks opti for "We have a female tester on the beta team and she gets upset all the time because she can only play as a male. So we have to please the girls or we get into BIG trouble. :D ". ****ing dick. yeah, thanks for picking out this one girl and saying that you "have to please" her because all she does is ****ing nag, and, on top of that, acting like this fraction-of-a-half-assed attempt is some sort of life-changing milestone of video game history worthy of a ****ing nobel prize. **** you.

sorry for the rant. you all know that i don't usually get involved in stuff like this (maybe it should have stayed that way), but this just really got under my skin.

oh, and vrrc, that was funny.

[RogueLeader]

You're going to make Opti mad, Ace, you said "****ing", you sinful sinful man.

[The_Fur]

*applaudes ace's statement*

[Chronic]

/me hands Ace a beer.

Well said man, well said. Say, how you been lately?

[peachz]

:tup:

[SAR]

nice call ace :tup:

[BlAcK_PlAgUe22]

Actual ingame screen shot!

http://planetunreal.com/images/screens/sf_030502.jpg

Looks like a gay guy with a puffy chest and elongated neck. :p

The "see-thru " goggles are a nice touch.

[Snake13]

I agree that there are/have been women in the military.

But if you took say, 16 (a full server) random people from the worlds military, what are the chances ONE of them would be a women? next to none. If you implement female models there are sure to be 4-8 on every server, thats totally unrealistic

[St0rmcaller]

The decision to insert female models into INF would most certainly be an issue of gameplay. The concept of active female combatants in a front line role, is a nearly foreign one to accept though. Given the current state of war, there has only been one female casualty, and even she had died in a crash, and not due to hostile fire.

Of this, I am glad personally. She was a close friend of my exwifes, and through her, she became a friend of mine. Death, knowing it came violently, is alot more hard to accept rather than an accident. And, for me at least, it is easier to accept that she died due to an accident, rather than she was shot out of the sky.


Also, I might add, I know for a fact, that wherever she may be now, she is cursing up a ****storm right now, for being refered to as a "soldier".

Sgt. Jeanette Winters, USMC (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42696,00.html)

[A_Rimmerlister]

... acting like this fraction-of-a-half-assed attempt is some sort of life-changing milestone of video game history worthy of a ****ing nobel prize ...

but that's how the SF-team (or should I say Optimizer?) does things. Every tiny bit of 'improvement' is presented as were it a worldshattering event of historic importance.

[GunGirl]

man, I bet ace is whipping a teriffic woman skin as we speak to put SF's to shame :D

[ShakKen]

IMO, a woman makes every bit a soldier a man does. What the problem is is that most women are uninclined to be soldiers.

Look at what's happening in the states for example. What the policy makers have done is give a quota of women that military units must fill. End result, a lot of good men who would normally get the job are being replaced by women who can't (or won't).

What should be a matter of aptitude is now a matter of politics. Politics + War = retardedness.

There are other issues. A male soldier gets his wife pregnant, no big deal right? A female soldier gets pregnant... you get the picture.

Most of us military men have no complaints about fighting alongside women. But those pro-women groups who are hell bent of proving themselves had best sit down and make intelligent evaluations about the integration of women in the armed forces. Instead of telling the polititions that a women can do whatever a man can. Some women can, most women won't.

Armies don't need men and women competing with each other during war, they need them working with each other.

As for female models in Infiltration; when they're in, they're in.

[jaunty]

You should see the reference pics Opti gave the modellers to work from. My super secret insider sources have given me a couple:

http://www.arcobaleno.net/turismo/amish-tour%20con%20i%20carri.jpg

http://www.loc.gov/rr/european/imde/amish.jpg

Opti allegedly posted something in the team's forum like "This is how a woman should be, or else they'll go to hell, so I don't want to see any skin on her, or all you dime-a-dozen modellers are gone"

They've done damn well, considering the circumstances :D

[St0rmcaller]

Originally posted by ShakKen
IMO, a woman makes every bit a soldier a man does. What the problem is is that most women are uninclined to be soldiers.

Look at what's happening in the states for example. What the policy makers have done is give a quota of women that military units must fill. End result, a lot of good men who would normally get the job are being replaced by women who can't (or won't).

What should be a matter of aptitude is now a matter of politics. Politics + War = retardedness.

There are other issues. A male soldier gets his wife pregnant, no big deal right? A female soldier gets pregnant... you get the picture.

... But those pro-women groups who are hell bent of proving themselves had best sit down and make intelligent evaluations about the integration of women in the armed forces. Instead of telling the polititions that a women can do whatever a man can. Some women can, most women won't.

Armies don't need men and women competing with each other during war, they need them working with each other.



Very well put.

[asmodeus]

Originally posted by spm1138
What about Israel?

YES! give us a pregnant woman model so we can shoot her!:rolleyes:

[DarkBls]

Originally posted by asmodeus


YES! give us a pregnant woman model so we can shoot her!:rolleyes:

:con:

[SaraP]

Originally posted by asmodeus


YES! give us a pregnant woman model so we can shoot her!:rolleyes:

:mad: You S.O.B., that's not funny.

[MetalMickey]

YES! give us a pregnant woman model so we can shoot her!

:lol:

[shadowkil]

Originally posted by jaunty
Opti allegedly posted something in the team's forum like "This is how a woman should be, or else they'll go to hell, so I don't want to see any skin on her, or all you dime-a-dozen modellers are gone"

They've done damn well, considering the circumstances :D

Umm, I'm sure this was some kind of joke, but uhh... why would you see skin on a woman in combat? They'd be wearing the same kit as the men. It's a war, not a fashion show.

And uh, SaraP, I think asmodeus was being sarcastic there - note the rolling eyes.

[Ace[INF]]

i'd really like to hear how other chicks feel about this..
:looks at SaraP:

Gun Girl, please elaborate if you'd like, though. i don't mean to exclude you. i just want to hear more female feedback. btw, anyone know if Mr. browses the forums?

[Catalyst]

Well seeing as how SaraP is really striderteen in a bra, you'll be hard pressed to get feminine feedback from him.

And I dunno about GunGirl. :rolleyes: Women should be raising children, not fighting a bloody war. Forgive me if that insults your equal rights mentality.

[ThunderChunky]

Feh.

Keeping opinions to self.

[Kuroshio Apocal]

That last pic looks so much like my friend Lydia, it's ****ing scary. Neck is a little bit too thin, and body seems off but that looks like her, no doubt.

[Silver_Ibex]

I read this entire thread and even went and looked at the models on the real time 3D viewer at SF home page.

Strike force has always had nicer window dressing (the weapon transport case decos spring to mind).

Inf has always had better simulation of real world weapons (Beppo’s projectial code for starts)

That’s why I play Inf, its more then skin deep.

I have several observations on your comments…

1. Your comments ring snide and hollow, could you really be jealous over something as dumb as player models? You think this will somehow take any glory away from Inf? Real world weapon mods are about the guns, and last time I checked Inf still had the best.

2. How will expanding the number of player meshes alter actual game play or the mechanics of the mod?
Variety is nice, even superficial touches like being ably to choose headgear, though it does not make a good game by itself.

3. For a working game model I don’t see anything wrong with them, they look like acceptable, even commercial game quality characters.
As for not being 100% unidentifiable from the real thing, show me a current FPS game with characters that are. Working within the current limitations of the UT engine they are very well done.

4. Homely? Yes! Dam it they are supposed to be fighters, show me a supermodel that’s a cop or soldier.
Though if they had been gorgeous super models you probably would have attacked that as not being “Real”.

5. So either put the sour grapes aside and make some cool player models for Inf, or cease and desist these petty ineffectual jabs at others hard work and toil.

[A_Rimmerlister]

Originally posted by Silver_Ibex

...
4. Homely? Yes! Dam it they are supposed to be fighters, show me a supermodel that’s a cop or soldier.
Though if they had been gorgeous super models you probably would have attacked that as not being “Real”.
...
I thought they looked (pardon the overused word) 'gay' and not 'real' ...

[asmodeus]

I mean... the neck... ewwwwwwwww

[A_Rimmerlister]

Originally posted by asmodeus
I mean... the neck... ewwwwwwwww
maybe they did like those african(?) women did : use rings to lengthen their necks ??? :con: :D

[SomewhatDamaged]

Originally posted by Silver_Ibex
I read this entire thread and even went and looked at the models on the real time 3D viewer at SF home page.

Strike force has always had nicer window dressing (the weapon transport case decos spring to mind).

Inf has always had better simulation of real world weapons (Beppo’s projectial code for starts)

That’s why I play Inf, its more then skin deep.

I have several observations on your comments…

1. Your comments ring snide and hollow, could you really be jealous over something as dumb as player models? You think this will somehow take any glory away from Inf? Real world weapon mods are about the guns, and last time I checked Inf still had the best.

2. How will expanding the number of player meshes alter actual game play or the mechanics of the mod?
Variety is nice, even superficial touches like being ably to choose headgear, though it does not make a good game by itself.

3. For a working game model I don’t see anything wrong with them, they look like acceptable, even commercial game quality characters.
As for not being 100% unidentifiable from the real thing, show me a current FPS game with characters that are. Working within the current limitations of the UT engine they are very well done.

4. Homely? Yes! Dam it they are supposed to be fighters, show me a supermodel that’s a cop or soldier.
Though if they had been gorgeous super models you probably would have attacked that as not being “Real”.

5. So either put the sour grapes aside and make some cool player models for Inf, or cease and desist these petty ineffectual jabs at others hard work and toil.

[asmodeus]

and...?

[the vrrc]

Bravo, Ace.

LAMO, jaunty.

:tup: ShaKKen

RFOLAMO, Rougeleader.

Anyone I missed?