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Gryphon
1st Mar 2002, 06:02 PM
I broke down and bought C&C:Renegade. First gripe: it comes in that console-sized box. I liked the standard size as it was. Ok, now I'm gonna open it....WHERE THE **** IS THE MANUAL!? Oh wait, there it is. One of those lame ones that fits into the jewel case, a whopping 29 pages cover to cover. Gee. The gameplay better be worth the $60 this cost me...

Hmm in hindsight perhaps my post icon should've been :tdown:

DLL
1st Mar 2002, 06:14 PM
I haven't played any RTS games in forever. Let us know what you think Gryph.

Gryphon
1st Mar 2002, 06:17 PM
RTS? C&C:Renegade is a first person shooter. What rock have YOU been hiding under?

fist_mlrs
1st Mar 2002, 06:20 PM
:con: @ dll


i heard the gameplay is realy nice, although the other parts of it (mainly graphics) are disappointing. anyway, its a simple fps, so you don't need a manual ala flanker 2.0 :)

DLL
1st Mar 2002, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Gryphon
RTS? C&C:Renegade is a first person shooter. What rock have YOU been hiding under?

:p

Remember that post I made about playing nothing but Inf? I was serious.

I just read a C&C:Renegade review. Okay, so let us know how well your FPS plays Gryphon.

LifesBane[4C]
1st Mar 2002, 06:27 PM
I'm having great fun with it :tup:. I want to know how many missions there are though...some of them seem kind of long, and I'm hoping that because of that there aren't only like 6 mission or something.

DeMachina
1st Mar 2002, 08:26 PM
from th gamespy review
The missions themselves (I counted 12) are massive.

I'm having fun with the game and the MP is also fun. It's not a great game, but it's a good fun game.:tup:

phatcat
1st Mar 2002, 08:30 PM
/me overdraw $65
/me no get C&C
/me no happy

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
1st Mar 2002, 08:35 PM
One of the few games that i want to bug my parents and will not stuop until it is gotten. :D

DeRailer
1st Mar 2002, 09:34 PM
When I first saw the manual, I was dissappointed as well, but after seeing the kind of contents Westwood stuff into the manual, it's no biggee. Manuals had never been that impt to me anyway.
Gyphon, make sure you get the latest patch for the game. Some players mentioned fps gained in MP after installation. (not me though, fps remains the same)

DeRailer
1st Mar 2002, 10:48 PM
A new patch was just release.

COMMAND & CONQUER RENEGADE(tm)

Copyright 2002 Electronic Arts Inc. All rights reserved.

Westwood Studios(tm) is an Electronic Arts(tm) brand.



PATCH INFORMATION - March 2002



For the latest news and updates please visit our website at:

http://westwood.ea.com/games/ccuniverse/renegade

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Version 1.015 changes (03-01-2002)

==================================

Multiplayer

- Minor updates to firewall negotiation queuing. This was preventing players

joining games in some situations (usually when many players were trying

to join at once, or when many players hit the abort button on this dialog).

- Minor updates to low-level packet handling which were causing server

instability when unexpected traffic appeared on the game port.

- LAN hosting is now allowed on routable IP addresses.

- Cosmetic fix to game list control which was displaying multiple

selected games when the list was refreshed in some cases.



Version 1.014 changes (02-28-2002)

==================================

New Key Assignment

- "Q" assigned to "Vehicle Gunner" toggle. This key adds the ability for each

user to set whether or not they allow someone else to be the gunner of

their vehicle. For this new key configuration setting to work you must

erase the CONFIG directory under the DATA directory and restart the game.



Single Player

- REMINDER!!! The <F6> function key is assigned to the Quicksave function.

- Bug: Fixed where you could delete level files from the load game menu.





Multiplayer

- Multiplayer balance tweaking.

- Improved Obelisk targeting.

- Added GAMESPY support.

- Added new "version mismatch error" display when trying to join a game

server with a different version via GAMESPY.

- Bug: Fixed the price of a <Beacon> being doubled in certain circumstances.

The price will never be doubled.

- Bug: Fixed the first person hands of a non-stealth soldier appearing to

be stealthed under certain circumstances.

- Bug: Fixed cost doubling not reflected properly when power plant is

destroyed, after quitting and restarting a game.

- Bug: Fixed the case where being shot while crouching and placing a beacon

would stop you from re-spawning.

- Bug: Fixed bug which allowed manipulating the hosting options to generate

illegal combinations.

- Bug: Fixed the situation where you destroy the airstrip while a vehicle

is being delivered and the vehicle would be invisible.

- Additional minor bug fixes.

- Clan rankings are updated for buddies when "Refresh" is clicked.

- Various additional <Clan and Ladder> modifications and bug fixes.

- Various <Chat> modifications and bug fixes.

- Various <Dedicated Server> modifications and bug fixes.

DEFkon
1st Mar 2002, 11:01 PM
unfortunatly those new console styled cases are supposed to be the standard now. retailers like'm cause now they can pack more copies in the same space, and enviromentalists like'm cause there is less trash.

but they better not do that with any Sim, or complicated game. As i've said before.. i can within an inch of buying "sub command" till i learned the 1000 page manual was only on the disc. No manual = no purchase.

Snake13
2nd Mar 2002, 12:42 AM
You don't need a manual for this.

oh and anyone with FPS problems, get a tweaker for your card and turn of W-buffering, I went from slideshow with graphics turned all the way down, to smooth with all of em turned up

LifesBane[4C]
2nd Mar 2002, 12:56 AM
People with FPS troubles-- what cards are you on? I have literally no problems at all-- but I did see plenty at our LAN party.

Gryphon
2nd Mar 2002, 09:07 AM
Okay I played it for a few hours last night. Yeah, the missions are long. But not in the way you'd think. You start off with a single objective: rescue the scientists. Then you drop into the map, and all of the sudden you've got 500 secondary objectives with every goddamn step you take! Rescue the clergy, clear out the ski resort, eliminate the SAM sites, destroy the power plant so you can take out the obelisk, yadda yadda ad infinitum. I'd be much happier if they broke all those down into more short missions because when you're running around down there it feels like it's turning into the Neverending Story. And yes, the AI really IS dumb as dirt. The helicopters always hover in the same spot dropping reinforcements, so a single slightly-aimed rocket or cannon shot will blast them out of the sky.

The cutscenes are really cool though. The animation is top-notch, the characters behave very lifelike. It wouldn't surprise me if they had people act these out first and they used them as exact models for the character animations (it looks that good). One part that tickled me pink was when Havoc steals a hovercraft and Locke tells his commander to launch the remaining support; camera then pans to her display screen and shows the original C&C playing with the hovercraft bringing in troops! That brought back memories. :D

Gryphon
2nd Mar 2002, 09:24 AM
By the way, on the third mission where you've gotta rescue the scientists, where the HELL is that ****ing green access card??? I've searched the entire Hand of Nod three times and I can't find the goddamn thing. Went into every tower, every bathroom, every nook and cranny. It ain't there. I already blew the place into rubble with the ion cannon but those doors STILL won't open and there's no one left to shoot, and nowhere else to go. WTF!?

LifesBane(4Corners)
2nd Mar 2002, 10:53 AM
Hmm.....Ack, unfortunately I don't remember the missions off the top of my head so I can't help you there :(

Personally, I think a lot of the cutscenes are low quality. >Really< bad lip synching, and some of the later cutscene's water looks worse than the in-game water. That's not a good thing :) Some of them are nifty though :)

The other thing I hate which I also read about from a reviewer is that some of the missions are timed and it doesn't tell you. In one mission the reviewer saved seconds before the time was over so he had to restart. I had similar happen to me, but I hadn't saved because I had no clue it was timed. So after 20 minutes, suddenly it says I failed the mission :hmm:

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
2nd Mar 2002, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Gryphon
By the way, on the third mission where you've gotta rescue the scientists, where the HELL is that ****ing green access card??? I've searched the entire Hand of Nod three times and I can't find the goddamn thing. Went into every tower, every bathroom, every nook and cranny. It ain't there. I already blew the place into rubble with the ion cannon but those doors STILL won't open and there's no one left to shoot, and nowhere else to go. WTF!?

Doors that are locked, or look like they aren't? If it's an elevator, just was for a few seconds. I'm not there yet, took a rocket to the head and still on that level with the power plant and obelisk. Very fun. Well worth the money spent. I only wish you could bind that damn ctrl key! :mad:

agent
2nd Mar 2002, 10:39 PM
tank dancing (tank equivalent of bunnyhopping):

take a light/medium tank. have the enemy face your flank at a med-long range and go forward then backwards and so forth while shooting. with all the lag and 10km/h projectiles it's unlikely anyone will hit you (at med-long ranges).

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
2nd Mar 2002, 10:58 PM
Will only work effectively with a light tank. Even the med. is too slow. Mammoth is still a sitting duck. ;)

DeRailer
2nd Mar 2002, 11:01 PM
Glad I always have my "C" key as crouch for any fps games. :p
For MP, I'm quite disappointed that I cannot bind radio commands to a specific key, god that blows. Especially when you have to hold down Ctrl + Alt + numeric keys to give commands, as if we didn't get enough from Microsoft yet.
I really cannot bring myself to play the Single Player Mode also...

DeRailer
2nd Mar 2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by BlAcK_PlAgUe22
Will only work effectively with a light tank. Even the med. is too slow. Mammoth is still a sitting duck. ;)
I have to agree, I did that all the time with my LiteTank. It's funny how a light tank can drive off those hordes of mammoth tanks away at times. Btw, all NOD's vehicles totally ownz. :) cept the APC
A lot of folks didn't know they can lock game's camera to turret as well.

Anyone else notice this is the only fps game that nobody complains about campers and snipers? :p

agent
2nd Mar 2002, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by BlAcK_PlAgUe22
Will only work effectively with a light tank. Even the med. is too slow. Mammoth is still a sitting duck. ;)

with the lag i experienced and the crappy opposion i had i was able to evade NOD light tanks+other stuff with a GDI med tank. i bet you the transmission/clutch in that tank was on fire.

Gryphon
2nd Mar 2002, 11:26 PM
Yes, the Nod APC handles like complete ****. The GDI one is much better. My favorites are the Buggy and Humvee though, I love pulling Rockwells (can you consider that a Rockwell?) in them coming out of the base after I've been repaired. :D

BTW I finally found that goddamn keycard. Know the medical lab in the top of the Hand of Nod? Well I went through there and somehow missed the second door that leads to the outside. Right there before the door was the keycard. :rolleyes:

LifesBane[4C]
2nd Mar 2002, 11:38 PM
My favorite is tank circle strafing :D

Hold down the key for free-camera look and then strafe around the big heavy vehicles with something fast...don't see many people do this. I do that against enemy structures too, makes the opposition chase me.

agent
2nd Mar 2002, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by LifesBane[4C]
My favorite is tank circle strafing :D

Hold down the key for free-camera look and then strafe around the big heavy vehicles with something fast...don't see many people do this. I do that against enemy structures too, makes the opposition chase me.

frustrating others is the true fun.

DeRailer
3rd Mar 2002, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by LifesBane[4C]
My favorite is tank circle strafing :D

Hold down the key for free-camera look and then strafe around the big heavy vehicles with something fast...don't see many people do this. I do that against enemy structures too, makes the opposition chase me.
You don't have to hold down free camera look for the job.
A lot of folks didn't know they can lock game's camera to turret as well

Yes, the Nod APC handles like complete ****.
And ugly too.

LifesBane[4C]
3rd Mar 2002, 01:04 AM
The problem with that is that sometimes I only want to aim on the little view in front of me while keeping the camera still. If I need to check behind me, I just hold down that key and look around-- and if I need to check in front again, I just let go of the key and it instantly centers my turret...I've tried the option you mentioned, but I still really like my method.

Kibbles-N-Bits
3rd Mar 2002, 01:10 AM
I seriously own when having the camera locked. You can circle-strafe a mammoth with the nod stealth and blow the crap out of it, all the while the tank tries to track you like some moronic beast :D

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
3rd Mar 2002, 02:19 AM
Sucks though. Only about 11 or so servers. :(

You would think shooting the gas cans on the outside of the NOD APC would blow it up... :p

That city level is cool! Reminds me of LA. :p

Time for a cheap tactic as GDI. On that level with the river and no Defenses, be a rocket guy/gunner, walk up the ridge, and aim at the NOD structures. I came in first on my team with no kills. :D

I hope there will be a NOD cycle. :(

@Gryph: Was that you i saw on tonight? :p

EDIT: ****load of spleling errors

Kibbles-N-Bits
3rd Mar 2002, 02:21 AM
Cycles will own the battlefield! :D

DeRailer
3rd Mar 2002, 03:26 AM
there are quite a lot of servers. Make sure you select "United States" under perfeb server. There's around 20-30 servers there alone. + 10 from Euro and another 10 from pacific.
If you are using GSA scrape it, they can only list a few server. The best way is to suscribe your product to WW and register WWO. They have everything a player needs.

Plague: that map is call Island. The one I'm always talking about. It's a darn cool map and my personal favourite.

NotBillMurray
3rd Mar 2002, 03:44 AM
I'm liking this game a great deal, although certainly not for the graphics. But the multiplayer is a great deal of fun, and the single player keeps the action flowing very fast.

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
3rd Mar 2002, 11:40 AM
I use the All Seeing Eye. ASE > GSA. One if the few products I'm gonna register :)

NotBillMurray
3rd Mar 2002, 01:36 PM
Well, I've found the integrated Westwood browser to be capable enough for my needs. No need, IMO, for an external browser like ASE or GS.

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
3rd Mar 2002, 02:14 PM
The only thing i found annoying about it was the part about registering. It mentioned something about a webpage link in the email, and i still haven't recieved it yet :con:

NotBillMurray
3rd Mar 2002, 02:21 PM
I didn't have to do anything with an e-mail webpage link. It worked right off the bat for me.

Gryphon
3rd Mar 2002, 05:09 PM
The WOL registration is lame. Naturally the name Gryphon is taken already, so I tried Gryphon223. Oops, only 9 characters allowed. So then I tried =Gryphon= and it then it says you can only have letters and numbers and it cannot start with a number. Well what the ****! :mad: Suffice to say I've been using ASE exclusively, where I can still play as Gryphon.

Kibbles-N-Bits
3rd Mar 2002, 05:27 PM
ASE is a great prog IMO :D

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
3rd Mar 2002, 05:34 PM
Yes. ASE = teh win. :D

I'm registered as blackp22 on WOL... yet still can't connect :rolleyes:

And names are getting scares on WOL because it's been in use since the original C&C, all the way up thru RA2.

I'm starting to really hate that demo level. Oh well. /me heads off to read more about Renegade.

DeRailer
4th Mar 2002, 04:01 AM
Once registered for a nick with WOL, you'll need to go to a link they sent u in their email to confirm the nick, else your nick will be cancelled one week after activation.
I believe there's a lot of servers ASE and GSA can't list.

BlAcK_PlAgUe22
4th Mar 2002, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by DeRailer
Once registered for a nick with WOL, you'll need to go to a link they sent u in their email to confirm the nick, else your nick will be cancelled one week after activation.
I believe there's a lot of servers ASE and GSA can't list.

Yeah, thats the only part that sucks. :(

Right now I'm stuck on that city-ish level where you have to rescue the dead-6. I got hot wire and Gunner, and i start to go searching for Dead eye, but then patchs asks for help, and then dead eye dies because patch became priority. :p