The Walther P99 or 'To be or not to be'

[Godeater]

The Walther P99.
For some time now I have been wondering what it acctually does sitting there at the bottom of the handgun list. When you compare it with the M9 there are very few real differences. Same cailber, (almost the) same ammo. capacity and barrel lenght. The only real difference is the LAM attachment.
Does anyone know why the team has settled for this gun? Bond-fetich? :)

I know weapon suggestions are usually disregarded but I'll give this a try anyway. My suggestion would be to replace the P99 with the FN Forty-Nine
Here's why:

It is chambered for .40 S&W, a caliber not avalible for handguns in Infiltration, yet... :)
It's handeling is, as far as I understand, similar to that of the Glocks, which is a handgun too overused (in other mods) for us to have; but the Glock represents an (in armed forces and police) large class of handguns we dont have yet, the Double-Action Only.
It would be balanced with slow rate of fire (DAO) quite high damage (.40) and medium sized magazine (10 rds.)
It has rails for a Laser aiming module, just as the P99
It looks quite nice. Have a look (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg19-e.htm)


Well, that's my 2 cents. Let me know what you think.

[Tiffy]

OK I'll bite. Why do you thing that a DAO pistol has a slower RoF the a Double or possible Single action pistol?

[Godeater]

Not slower rate of fire per se, but with a heavier pull it would probably be harder to sustain rapid fire.

I might be wrong here since I haven't fired a DAO gun in real life...

[ShakKen]

Godeater: Obviously, you've never fired a Glock :rolleyes:

[Godeater]

You are right, I have never fired anything except .22 match pistols but still DAO pistols must have some distuingishing feature compared with single action and double action. Since the Forty-nine is said to have a long and quite hard pull (4,5 kg), I thought this applied to DAO guns generally, which is why I said what I did of low RoF.
Anyway, feel free to correct my lack of experience in handguns but in doing so do tell me what you think. It's the P99 vs the 40-9.

[Scythe]

Um Hullo!? James bond uses a walther PPK;)

[Lolo Konijn]

he did in the old movies...
new pistol is P99

..right....?

[ShakKen]

The Glock's trigger is in the area of 5 pounds.

DAO does not neccesarily mean a heavy trigger pull.

BTW, the P99 is DA/SA

A small plug at the rear of the slide pops out to indicate that the weapon is cocked(IMO, it's too damned small and I wouldn't trust it.)

Pushing down on the recess in the rear left of the slide will decock the weapon.

[Godeater]

So Shakken since you seem to be around, what do you think? Does Infiltration need a .40 handgun?

And btw I think Bond swiched to the p99 in 'Tomorrow Never Dies" :) correct me if I'm wrong here...

[Destructo6]

I'd rather see a SIG P226 9mm or BHP 9mm. Real SpecOps types use these, while I've not heard of them using the P99 nor FortyNine.

[DooMfreak]

They did switch to the Walther P99 in 'Tommorow Never Dies', which is unfortunate because the PPK had already become the classic 'Bond gun'. In my opinion the whole James Bond scene is sliding down the mountainside since that movie, which is too bad.

(Just keep the TT33 out of this ;))

[Tiffy]

Originally posted by DooMfreak

(Just keep the TT33 out of this ;))
Now THATS a hand cannon :D

[Snake13]

I think a .40 glock would be nice

[Gholam]

Hey Tiffy, I need your expert opinion, what is the maximum level of body armor that 7.62x25mm FMJs fired out of a TT-33 can penetrate at 3 meters range?

[Tiffy]

I'm not sure Gholam, although TT33 shooting Czech Ammo will make a hole through most body armour. I'm not the best person to ask about this, body armours not really my field.

Shakken can you help, your usually the man with the figures.

[FiringAimlessly]

:eek:

Um... any combat-related advantage for such a heavy trigger pull?

[{GD}Ghost]

Originally posted by Scythe
Um Hullo!? James bond uses a walther PPK;)

.....in .22 calibre. (I may be wrong)



Also: IIRC double action only applies to the first trigger pull if the hammer has not been manually cocked. After the first trigger pull, the rest have a much lighter trigger pull. (correct me if I am wrong. This is how my Sig P229 .40 operated. BTW we used the 12 rnd mag.)

I know weapons suggestions are generally disregared, but to see my beloved weapon (Sig Saur P229) in-game would rock.

[ShakKen]

no more .40s in Infiltration.

[Zundfolge]

I must agree that I see little point in the P99 since it's so simmilar (performance wise) to the M9, so why not just chamber the P99 in .40?

It would make sense for one to carry both a SMG (mp5-40) and a backup weapon in the same caliber.

[SaraP]

In the first Bond film, Dr. No, we see Agent 007 reluctantly turn in his .25 Beretta for a new Walther PPK. He has been using the Beretta for ten years, but spent the last six months in the hospital after it jammed on him (presumably, the weapon failing led to some unpleasantness for poor Bond).

The PPK is then replaced by a Walther P99 in "Tomorrow Never Dies"; although he picked that one up from his Chinese ally rather than Q, he does comment, "Ah, the new Walther. I asked Q to get me one of these." As he then had a P99 in the next film, "The World Is Not Enough", it appears that the P99 is indeed the new standard-issue Double-O sidearm.

BTW, the P99 IS available in both 9mm and .40 S&W. I've heard rumors of .45 ACP and .380 versions as well, but I haven't ever seen one offered for sale anywhere.

Interestingly, the standard version of the P99 does NOT have a threaded barrel and therefore cannot accept a silencer unless modified. The threaded barrel is available in the U.S. through Earl's Repair Service for $395, which I consider to be a bit much as the entire gun runs around $500. Then again, the suppressor's another $800.

The high price for the threaded barrels is due to the fact that they are VERY limited supply; they are produced exclusively for Earl's (in the US, anyway) by the Walther plant in Ulm, Germany, and allegedly require a complete restart of the production line to produce. AFAIK, the threaded barrel is available only for 9mm at this time.

[Zundfolge]

Oh ... and the P99 in INF should be the OD green one too :)

http://www.waltherusa.com/p99military.jpg


BTW, the P99 IS available in both 9mm and .40 S&W. I've heard rumors of .45 ACP and .380 versions as well, but I haven't ever seen one offered for sale anywhere.

There's also a .22lr version (called the P22)

[OICW]

Originally posted by ShakKen
no more .40s in Infiltration.

Oh please Shakken will you say the magic words "No more DE because it's a Hollywood gun and doesn't belong in Infiltration."

If I ever find out who (off the forums) the hell voted the DE into Inf, I will mutilate them.

[spm1138]

Bond's PPK is 7.65, innit?

Q goes on about it hitting a man with the force of a train or somesuch.

[Wolf Being]

Originally posted by FiringAimlessly
:eek:

Um... any combat-related advantage for such a heavy trigger pull?

Burden of proof that it wasn't an involuntary discharge under stress, hehehe. :D - Seriously, many DA/SA pistols have no lever safety, so the heavy DA trigger pull (and locking firing pin, etc.) is what acts as a safety.

I agree with Destructo. The SIG P22x series is very widely used in military and law enforcement. If we need a new handgun in INF it should be a SIG. But I'm more along the 'fix what we have first' line on weapon ideas anyway.

[FiringAimlessly]

Originally posted by OICW
If I ever find out who (off the forums) the hell voted the DE into Inf, I will mutilate them.
- ...coming from a guy named OICW. :p

Thanks for the explanation WB, btw... at first I suspected it was just that, but I figured there might be something else to it, like someone being more accurate with a heavier trigger pull or something (uh, we don't get many firearms around here, not legally anyway, so please bear with my complete and utter ignorance :con: )

[OICW]

Originally posted by FiringAimlessly
- ...coming from a guy named OICW. :p

1. The OICW will never be in Inf :)
2. I only chose it as my nick as I didn't want to use my RL nick name here and I had been reading a bit about it at the time.
3. Yes, the actual OICW prototype is a POS.
4. Why the DE is still in is beyond me and removing it wouldn't put too much of a dent in the choices of pistols.

[Godeater]

ahh Zundfolge, you see my point. The P99 in .40 would be just perfect (I didn't know it existed...) And it makes sense, heavy trigger pull and no safety, I guess the Glock can afford it's light pull with it's trigger safety. Thanks WB for the explanation.

So Shakken, what is the reason for not having more .40 weapons in Inf? Is it mostly a Law Enforcement caliber?

And OICW I must say that I personally support the DE. My reasons are:
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It's good looking
It's charming
It's the best long range handgun in the game
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[{GD}Ghost]

Those are very poor reasons to have this weapon in INF. It is, (as mentioned many times) used more by Hollywood than anything else.

[Godeater]

Originally posted by {GD}Ghost
Those are very poor reasons to have this weapon in INF. It is, (as mentioned many times) used more by Hollywood than anything else.

I agree.

But I'm still supporting it:D

[ShakKen]

Godeater: It's not a caliber employed by military forces(counter terrorism doesn't count.).

[Gholam]

Oooh, ShakKen is here, could you please post some data on 7.62x25mm FMJ penetration? Pretty please? ;)

[BlAcK_PlAgUe22]

Originally posted by OICW


1. The OICW will never be in Inf :)
2. I only chose it as my nick as I didn't want to use my RL nick name here and I had been reading a bit about it at the time.
3. Yes, the actual OICW prototype is a POS.
4. Why the DE is still in is beyond me and removing it wouldn't put too much of a dent in the choices of pistols.

Think of it this way: If it wasn't in here, you would have a ****load of threads asking for one. :p

[FiringAimlessly]

Actually, come to think of it I'd rather have the DE in INF... at least it's not t3h 00b3r-1337 647 you see it depicted as in other mods...

[ShakKen]

Gholam: you got the wrong guy.

/points @ Gryphon

[KrAzEd AssassiN]

I would like to see a makarov, I believe its a Russian handgun used by their military, but I'm not sure. I personally think the Desert Eagle should not be in Inf and I love the sound of a SIG.

[OICW]

I take it I have to resort to Plan X in order to get Shakken to pressure everyone in the Inf team to remove the DE :p

[Godeater]

Originally posted by ShakKen
Godeater: It's not a caliber employed by military forces(counter terrorism doesn't count.).

I almost suspected that, thanks ShakKen

[TheRaptor007]

Bond PPK: German-made, blued steel PPK, in .32 ACP, with a 7-round clip. Double and single actions.

Bond P99: Black frame, 9MM, 16 shot capacity.








Oh yeah guys, the FN 5-7 is DOA too, so It obviously doesnt effect anything in game...

[Zundfolge]

I would like to see a makarov

OOH OOH Yeah! that would be cool :)

[Col.Sanders]

There is a difference between a long trigger pull, a heavy trigger pull, and a bad trigger pull.

About the 7.62x25mm Tokarev:
Second Chance Industries says a"7.62X25 85gr Tokorev VSP FMJ" driving a 85grain bullet at 1250fps (5.5g at 381 m/s) doesn't defeat level 2 body armor. I'd like to see the specs on that Czech round, because it looks like hot 9mm can go faster with heavier bullets.

[Elite_Soldier]

Just skin the Desert Eagle black. Wouldn't take too long I imagine, but then again I know jack shi<b></b>t about skinning models, let alone programming anyways. I personally think it would look far cooler too :D

But once the SOCOM gets in, there won't be much point for a DE except for armor penetration (IIRC it can penetrate light armor?).

[Gholam]

This is interesting, I did some searching on the subject, and it seems like 7.62x25mm, especially the Czech loads (for CZ52 only, C-96 and TT-33 can't handle them, too hot) can defeat level IIIA that stops .357 Magnum.

[The_Fur]

Personally I'd love to see either the Tokarev or the Gyurza (gyurza firing 9x30mm IIRC).