I got my Glock!

[DLL]

I picked up my Glock tonight and immediately headed to the range. I only got 80 rounds through it when the range closed, but man I had a blast. The gun shoots great. I'll be heading up to my aunt's property tomorrow with a buddy and I'll get to break it in some more. :)

[das_ben]

sweet!

[NotBillMurray]

:tup:

[EndlessInfinity]

Ph34r teh l337 g70ck1n' 5k177z!
Seriously though, thats incredibly sweet!

I want one! (stupid laws prohibiting minors with firearms. As soon as I got my guns I'd show them... show them all.... show the world! Bwa ha ha ha ha! ..... "Go to bed you stupid kid")

[vedder]

You lucky lucky bastard.

[Puppeteer (Ghepetto)]

Noice......(yes, this is how I actually talk)

[peachz]

Beauty!

:tup:

[DLL]

Originally posted by peachz
Beauty!

:tup:

It's funny, but most people think Glocks are one of the ugliest handguns ever to grace God's green earth. I think they're nice looking guns myself. :)

[Donnellizer]

Yeah, most of 'em are fugly DLL. :p

[Catalyst]

I love how Glocks look...so streamlined and sharp.

EDIT: Those longslide ones are f'ugly though ;)

[C.Chan]

yeah i think glocks are nice looking, I like handguns that have that 'box' type slide for some reason.

[Iceman]

Lucky Bastard.

Is that a G19? i was thinking of getting a 19 myself, but i've decided on a 17 or 22.

As for glocks being 'ugly', who ever i find saying that with have to deal with the 50lbs UNIX manual! Glocks are teh sexy ;) .

Iceman.

[DLL]

Yeah, it's a 19. I'm really glad I got the compact. The Glock compacts aren't as small as some other compacts and it fits my hand well. I just got back from shooting and I put few more boxes of ammo through it. I haven't had any misfeads or other problems.

[ShakKen]

That's the whole beauty of Glocks. Moreso than any other handgun they actually look deadly :)

[Gholam]

Originally posted by ShakKen
Moreso than any other handgun they actually look deadly :)

I beg to differ... there's the C-96, and all those huge caliber revolvers...

[Zundfolge]

Glocks are like Volvos ... boxy, not all that sexy, but they exude a feeling of utility, reliablity and purpose.

My Steyr reminds me of a BMW ... does everything the Volvo does... and just as well, only is more refined and elegant.

[vedder]

Originally posted by Zundfolge
Glocks are like Volvos ... boxy, not all that sexy, but they exude a feeling of utility, reliablity and purpose.

My Steyr reminds me of a BMW ... does everything the Volvo does... and just as well, only is more refined and elegant.

OOOOOOooooo he said teh Steyr ownz joo crappy Glock.

[Gholam]

In any case, if I ever start carrying a handgun, there's a 99% chance it'll be a SIG P228.

[DLL]

Originally posted by eddievedder


OOOOOOooooo he said teh Steyr ownz joo crappy Glock.

:) He didn't say that at all. I know exactly what he meant. The 'utility' part of the Glock is one of the reasons I chose one. They look like they mean business in a military sort of way. They don't look fragile and they aren't. I like that it's rough and tough.

[ShakKen]

Btw, Zund, the Malaysian Police have just adopted the M-Series as their standard sidearm. So I've had an opportunity to put a few roundsw though some.

I'll post my take on that later on.

But just so you know, it's confirmed my opinion that the sights are indeed retarded.

[Zundfolge]

Well the sights are a love it or hate it kind of thing, and they tend to grow on some people (I wasn't too sure about them at first either).

I am curious to hear what you think of the pistol aside from the sights.

[Troubleshooter]

nice gun zund. damn i wish i could own a gun here in Holland.

[Iceman]

Zundy, how could you say your styer is better looking than this....

Iceman.

[Dupre]

Awesumo!

In other news, I've got half of my M4gery built. Silly Bushmaster is backed up on uppers, but I'll post a pic of it once I get it in. They said something like a month or so.

[DEFkon]

i've got a general gun related question

what exactly are the laws for shooting a gun without owning one?

See i'd be intrested in going to a shooting range, and squeezing off sound rounds, but i don't have any intrest in going through the paper work, taxes, ect ect involved with actually owning one, and i really wouldn't want one in the house (family).

Do clubs, or ranges let you rent something for a day, or let you store your firearm at the range or something? Just wondering.

[BlAcK_PlAgUe22]

Originally posted by Iceman
Zundy, how could you say your styer is better looking than this....

Iceman.

2 triggers? :confused: :con:

[ShakKen]

Iceman: Zundfolge is in a state of perpetual aesthetic drunkness, how else could he intepret the M series better looking than ANYTHING? :p

For the record the Steyr-M is quite possibly the ugliest autopistol I've seen for a long time.

[DLL]

Originally posted by DEFkon
i've got a general gun related question

what exactly are the laws for shooting a gun without owning one?

See i'd be intrested in going to a shooting range, and squeezing off sound rounds, but i don't have any intrest in going through the paper work, taxes, ect ect involved with actually owning one, and i really wouldn't want one in the house (family).

Do clubs, or ranges let you rent something for a day, or let you store your firearm at the range or something? Just wondering.

I don't think there are any laws regulating shooting a gun. I don't know if it's different for different states, but here in California you can rent a gun at shooting ranges. You can also borrow a friend's gun and take it to the range, camping, etc. I used to borrow my step-dad's .22 all the time and take it camping.

[Iceman]

Yeah, perpetual aesthetic drunkness, must be the answer :p .

Iceman.

[Zundfolge]

Originally posted by DEFkon
I'd be intrested in going to a shooting range, and squeezing off sound rounds, but i don't have any intrest in going through the paper work, taxes, ect ect involved with actually owning one, and i really wouldn't want one in the house (family).

Do clubs, or ranges let you rent something for a day, or let you store your firearm at the range or something? Just wondering.
Assuming you are living in the US, you can rent guns at most shooting ranges (same for many other countried, but you'd have to check with a local gun range to see what the legalities are). I don't know if you have to pass a background check, but I don't think so (since you are not purchasing the weapon, and not leaving the building with it).

However, you will have to be 18 (or with a parent if underage) and in some states maybe even 21. and many ranges will not rent a gun if you show up alone (too many people have gone to the range, rented a gun and used it for suicide)

As for paperwork, taxes and etc ... in most states you can purchase a firearm without any paperwork or taxes at all if you buy from an individual (not a dealer). As for taxes, you generaly don't pay more then regular old sales tax (although you should check the local laws ... some areas do have extra taxes and red tape ... although in my opinion it is unconstitutional ... as unconstitutional as requiring a license and paying a tax to vote).


2 triggers?
the little inner trigger on my Steyr (and a Glock) is actualy a safety ... its there so that only intentionaly pulling the trigger will discharge the weapon (so that pressure on the side of the trigger from a holster or dropping it wont set it off).

For the record the Steyr-M is quite possibly the ugliest autopistol I've seen for a long time.
You can't seriously think the Glock is prettier then the Steyr ... I'm begining to doubt your eyesight :p

BTW, THIS is the ugliest autopistol on the market right now...

http://www.shooters.com/images/gom/gom0202.jpg
http://www.craigltd.com/

[DLL]

Well, I think the Glock is prettier, but I thought I was just weird. :D

[C.Chan]

i'll probably get a USP-40 or Glock

[Zundfolge]

Forgive me ... I spoke too soon

THIS is the ugliest autopistol on the market

http://www.gunbroker.com/pixhost/2001-11-18/kicking_1006067587_CDF_4.JPG
Charles Daly DDA (http://www.charlesdaly.com/HTML/products/firearms/pistols/DDA/dda.asp)

[shadowkil]

Originally posted by Zundfolge
Glocks are like Volvos ... boxy, not all that sexy, but they exude a feeling of utility, reliablity and purpose.

My Steyr reminds me of a BMW ... does everything the Volvo does... and just as well, only is more refined and elegant.

So what's my H&K, a Mercedes-Benz? ;)

[shadowkil]

Originally posted by C.Chan
i'll probably get a USP-40 or Glock

Go shoot a bunch before you decide. If I were you I wouldn't let price influence my decision too much - If you have plenty of cash, it's no big deal, get what you want - if you don't have a lot of cash, spending a bunch of money on a gun you don't like and then having to later spend more on what you really want sucks. Also don't take too much stock in what other people say about it - not to say that you shouldn't ask around, but really you should try a bunch out and choose what's best for you. It's good to go to the gun shop and handle a lot of different guns to see how the grip and the sight pictures work for you, but it's much better to actually shoot. Try to either find a place to rent or go shooting with some buddies, heck even just hang out at a gun shop or range and ask if you can try stuff - most shooters are pretty darned friendly and helpful.

If you've already done all this and have narrowed down your selection to those two, then disregard the above, but maybe somebody else can benefit from it ;)

[ShakKen]

My take on the M-series

Steyr seems to have taken everything Glock did from the get go. A steeper than usual grip angle, the deepest part of the grip as high as possible to bring the hand closer to the barrel axis, a 3 stage trigger, etc.

What I liked:
I like the fact that the M has a more Glock like grip to frame angle. Glock users have known for a long time how the steep angle allows the shooter to apply more grip pressure than shallower grips. I also think that the magazine bodies being steel is a plus, since they won't 'stick' like factory Glock Mags do after they've expanded a bit(It's now almost a habit for me to tear magazines out of the guns during reloads.). Also the gun doesn't have the Glock 19's tendency to spray spent casings in all directions.

What I didn't like:
Obviously the sights. During shooting, I got groups with grotesque amounts of vertical dispersion(because there's no ****ing referance to judge the level of the sights!). I was forced to put on my driving glasses before my shots closed to those I shot with the G19(without my glasses!). The angle at which the trigger pivots feels very unnatural. IMO it pivots too high. Quite often during shooting, my trigger finger drited down the trigger until instead of the tip of my finger pulling the trigger, I was yanking it at the joint.

The way the trigger is on a lower level makes getting an even trigger pull harder. Since you're no longer pulling straight along the bore.

Lastly, I do not like the 'hump' at the grip at all. Glocks are great because the grip is shaped to match the whole base of your thumb, while the Steyr insisted on trying to rip into the webbing between my thumb and index.

Recoil wise, it was a 9mm. So there's nothing to scream about, it did feel a little better taking the shot than the Glock, but I shot better with the Glock and the Glock felt better in my hand overall. Go figure. The trigger pull felt a little smoother than the Glock 19s, but the Glock's trigger shape definately feels better on the pull. The shorter pull length some might like, but it's of no consequence to me. The manual safety button seems to me antitheses of the whole fast into action philosophy. Having to apply upwards pressure with the index on the draw happens to violate the third rule(finger outside of trigger guard till sights on target), and if you apply it while you're got your sight picture, you'll probably knock yourself off target. Ad far as I could tell, the guns feel just as narrow around the grip as Glocks. Thanks to the omission of grip panels.

In summary, toss the sights for bar-dots and it's probably a good match against a Glock 19 for a defensive sidearm. As for the design being 'revolutionary', if you didn't know by now, Steyr is full of it. The additional safeties, sights and whatnot are more 'novel' than anything else. I do believe that the human design of the Glock is superior as well.

As a combat sidearm this thing doesn't have half a sniff at filling the G17's shoes.

[DLL]

Originally posted by ShakKen
Also the gun doesn't have the Glock 19's tendency to spray spent casings in all directions.

ShakKen, my Glock will toss a casing right into the middle of your forehead once in a while. Is there anything you can do to influence this tendency? I always use safety glasses, so it's not a big deal, it's just annoying.

[Zundfolge]

Steyr seems to have taken everything Glock did from the get go. A steeper than usual grip angle, the deepest part of the grip as high as possible to bring the hand closer to the barrel axis, a 3 stage trigger, etc.
IIRC, the guy who designed the Steyr is an Austrian police officer who either did some work for Glock, or was trying to sell his design to Glock and they weren't interested in it.


The manual safety is the only thing I do not like about the Steyr ... frankly I think it's dangerous.

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/Pistolen/images/Sicherung02gr.jpg
(the lever, in front of the trigger, inside the trigger guard, must be pushed up to deactivate the safety)

Trying to take the weapon from safe to fire in a crisis situation without accidentaly pulling the trigger could be a real issue. Frankly I don't use the manual safety for just that reason ... and yes, the built in trigger lock is just a gimick (although Steyr may be concerned about future legislation in the US that will require built in trigger locks ... several other companies are going that route too)

As for the trigger angle ... I haven't noticed the problem you mentioned ... but I haven't put thousands of rounds through a Glock, so maybe I'm just used to it (most of my pistol shooting before getting the Steyr is with 1911s and a double action revolver).

If you get a chance to compare the M40 against the G23, I think you'll really notice the difference in felt recoil. I find it more comfortable to fire then the G23. I don't notice the problem you had with the "hump" on the grip, but I've never thought the Glock fit my had all that well. My only problem with the grip on the Steyr is how smooth it is ... I haven't fired it one handed while covered in sweat or blood, but I imagine I'd have some difficulty gripping it under those conditions.

I like Glocks, but I've always felt awkward holding and shooting one (especially since everyone says they have such perfect ergonomics ... made me wonder if I was just weird or something). Overall I think the Steyr is an excellent alternative to the Glock for people who like the basic design and features of the Glock, but for whom the Glock doesn't quite fit.

Now as soon as they resume shipping S40s to the US I may have to trade my M40 for the smaller S :)

ShakKen, my Glock will toss a casing right into the middle of your forehead once in a while. Is there anything you can do to influence this tendency? I always use safety glasses, so it's not a big deal, it's just annoying.
Maybe putting a heavier recoil spring in it would help.

[ShakKen]

DLL: Wear goggles and always shoot with your mouth closed ;)

Zund's suggestion might help too.

[shadowkil]

As another Glock alternative - Springfield Armory just came out with what basically looked like a sort of Glock clone. It was on the back of my last issue of AFF... lemme pull up their web site and get a link for people.... here (http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl.shtml) ya go ;)

[ShakKen]

OH GOD! WHAT THE **** DID YOU YANKS DO TO MY GLOCK?!?!

:eek:

[Zundfolge]

Hey, don't blame us Yanks for that one ... the "new" Springfield XD is just the same old Croatian made HS-2000 .... it's just that Springfiled became the new importer for them and put their name on them (jacked the price up too :rolleyes: ).

It kinda ranks up there as ugly too :p

[shadowkil]

Don't look at me, I prefer a gun that can be cocked, none of this DAO nonsense ;) I just noticed people were talking about Glock replacements/imitations and remembered seeing an ad in a magazine =b Didn't realize the thing was Croatian though - interesting that it has a 1911 style grip safety, I kind of found that amusing as it is being distributed by Springfield =b

[ShakKen]

It's like they took a Glock and... and... I think I'm going to be sick.

[DLL]

Originally posted by ShakKen
DLL: Wear goggles and always shoot with your mouth closed ;)

Note to self: Stop screaming "Die sucka!" while shooting, not only does it annoy the other people at the range, I may get a chipped tooth.

[Zundfolge]

Whats fun is to take a woman to the range who insists on wearing a shirt with a low cut neckline :)

[DLL]

:D The brass is kinda hot. lol Did that happen to your wife?

[Iceman]

OH GOD! WHAT THE **** DID YOU YANKS DO TO MY GLOCK?!?!
......*Iceman crys at what those monsters did to his Sexy Glock*

Iceman.

P.S DIE SPRINGFIELD ARMORY!

[Zundfolge]

Originally posted by DLL
:D The brass is kinda hot. lol Did that happen to your wife?

No, but it's been mentioned on several of those "check out this idiot I saw at the range" type threads on TFL

[Gholam]

Last time I was at range, I got all the brass into my right cheek. Ew. Fortunately, it was only glancing off, not striking head-on, so it didn't go beyound the level of unpleasant annoynance (which it can - my commander has several burn scars on his stomach from when a MAG ejected several casings into his shirt - over a year ago).

[Mad_Dog]

Originally posted by Zundfolge
Forgive me ... I spoke too soon

THIS is the ugliest autopistol on the market

http://www.gunbroker.com/pixhost/2001-11-18/kicking_1006067587_CDF_4.JPG
Charles Daly DDA (http://www.charlesdaly.com/HTML/products/firearms/pistols/DDA/dda.asp)

:lol: That comes with the NRA Barbie my sister bought.:) She was sick of GI Joe kicking Skippers ass.

[shadowkil]

Once with a friend's DE in .44 mag, I caught a casing right in the eyes... that would definitely have been unpleasant without eye protection! Then of course sunday there was the gun that threw an extractor which hit me in the forehead =b

[DLL]

I just shot my friend's .44 Mag DE this weekend. I don't care what anyone around here thinks, that's a fun gun. I wonder why they didn't use the .44 mag DE for Inf? The DE should probably have the same bulk value as the Robar though. :D