Microsoft .NET

uh.... c# is a peice of total ****. that said however, it could probably kick java's ass (har har har) The only true development language for me is c++ (and it'll take a whole lot to change that).

I don't really know all that much about .NET, but I hope Microsoft doesn't plan on making rentable applications with it

Java is very strong on the server side, mature and proven to be reliable, and multi-platform (more so then the alternatives). I don't think it will be going anywhere soon there.

C# is closer to the Windows API then Java is, so on the client side for gui apps, it probably won't suck as bad as java does. For the most part it looks like a Java clone to me, with a few extra features thrown in. Microsoft has submitted C# to an ECMA committee, so they don't own the language, anyone on another platform can make their own implemantation. A part of .NET's infrastructure might evan show up in a future version of Gnome. Microsoft is also sponsering a .NET port to FreeBSD, but it might be inferior (bait and switch tactic).

C# looks kinda cool, but I'm waiting to see how it performs. Hopefully its fast enough and companies will switch from VB (bah). It'll be interesting.

If the academic version of VS .NET runs around $100, and the Qt classes still work with the new C++ compiler, I might pick it up and check it out.

C# : as if M$ didn't own control enough ...
They're simply trying to drive Sun & co of the market.

With the java-support gone from XP, that will be pretty easy as most none-programmers will believe anything Bill Gates & co promise ...

MS-history is full of similar examples :
- OS/2 vs Windows
- Netscape vs IE

IMHO C# & .NET is M$'s attempt to control the internet.
They will succeed if everyone swallows all their nonsense ...

What can .Net do that isn't possible with the current protocols ?
Do we really need M$ to tell us how applications should communicate over the internet ???

I don't really know all that much about .NET, but I hope Microsoft doesn't plan on making rentable applications with it

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That's exactly what they are trying to do ...

This is the future :

Web services are a new breed of Web application. They are self-contained, self-describing, modular applications that can be published, located, and invoked across the Web. Web services perform functions, which can be anything from simple requests to complicated business processes...Once a Web service is deployed, other applications (and other Web services) can discover and invoke the deployed service

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Do you really think ANYONE will do this for free ?

For the most part it looks like a Java clone to me

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First of all, JAVA is a more compact and abstract derivative of C++, U cant even deal with POINTERS in Java.

THANK god M$ is usin sumtin else other than JAVA or they would have run into performance, compatiblity and stability issues.

Java uses the same concepts of C++ but applies to the internet.
So u really cant compare C++ and Java directly. C++ is superior client side and Java is superior with distributed network applications.

Java btw is known to break under heavy USER LOAD. Alot of the applications JAVA is used for, is better handled by CGI and PHP.

First of all, JAVA is a more compact and abstract derivative of C++, U cant even deal with POINTERS in Java.

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Thats a bad thing?

THANK god M$ is usin sumtin else other than JAVA or they would have run into performance, compatiblity and stability issues.

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Microsoft themselves has had major issues with performance, compatiblity and stablity in the past. I'm skeptical, but it probably will be faster, at least as far as the gui goes.

Java btw is known to break under heavy USER LOAD.

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Not on sparcs. I Don't really know about other platforms or VMs - I hear it depends on the VM on other platforms.

Yes, .NET will kick the ass of Java. Not from a technical standpoint but from a cost perspective, and that is what businesses looks for. Notice I didn't say C# because with .NET's CLR, the language doesn't matter.

C# r0xx j00 (heu ... not sure of the spelling)

- OS/2 vs Windows
- Netscape vs IE

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Competition is good: OS are becoming better and better (I love XP) same for browsers.
And it will force Sun to upgrade Java so that it can face C#.

With the java-support gone from XP, that will be pretty easy as most none-programmers will believe anything Bill Gates & co promise ...

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I use java under XP, just install the JDK ...

And off course Microsoft is trying to make money, but it's their job you should be happy to spend your money buying a good software package

I hope I can have a not-to-expensive sort of Student version in France too.

greeeeeeeeat

any idea of the price ?
I looked for it on the visualstudio.net site but haven't found anything

I remember having paid about 100 Euro (650 Francs at the time) for an old Visual Studio (with VC++ 5)

"me really needs to look into .net"
yea me too. I got the beta release and a C# book just havent had the time........
-How.

Originally posted by mae2050
by ghostdaemon
First of all, JAVA is a more compact and abstract derivative of C++, U cant even deal with POINTERS in Java.

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Why would you WANT pointers ?
They're useless unless you want to mess with memory ...
btw : there are 'pointers' in Java ... they just aren't as obvious.
The best advantage : no more 'access violations' because your pointers were pointing at the 'wrong' part of the memory ...

THANK god M$ is usin sumtin else other than JAVA or they would have run into performance, compatiblity and stability issues.

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ANY language that is multi-platform will run into performance/compatibility/stability-problems ...
Why ? Because there are millions of combinations to test ...
If platform A has graphics & platform B only has text then you will need to find a way to deal with it. MS can't avoid such a thing unless they simply demand certain things.

Java uses the same concepts of C++ but applies to the internet.
So u really cant compare C++ and Java directly. C++ is superior client side and Java is superior with distributed network applications.

Java btw is known to break under heavy USER LOAD. Alot of the applications JAVA is used for, is better handled by CGI and PHP.

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That's not Java's fault. That's either caused by 'bad' code or a lousy virtual machine ...
I can write C code that can crash a computer ... does that make C a bad language ?
Or does one blame the programmer (for writing the bad code) & the OS (for not being able to deal with a single unstable program) ?

CGI simply is a more 'mature' and as a result more reliable technique, you can't blame java-engines for not being up to the same level in the 'short' time it's been available ...

// Freon
I know you can install a 3rd party Java Virtual machine, however the problem is : the average user won't do that just to view a webpage.
Do you really download every available plug-in to view all the webpages ? Or do you say 'Too much work ... ! I'll go somewhere else instead ?'
Never mind the risc you're taking because the plug-in might contain spyware or worse ...
I'm pretty sure no one would have used DirectX-based games if the games didn't install it themselves as it wasn't part of the OS at first ...

Originally posted by A_Rimmerlister
I know you can install a 3rd party Java Virtual machine, however the problem is : the average user won't do that just to view a webpage.

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Sigh. The JDK is the runtime for running Java code on a box. It has nothing to do with JVM for browsers. You take a normal W2K box, throw JDK and a Java-compliant application server on there (Tomcat I think is one), and then you can serve up web pages that run Java code... servlets, right? Some Java developer will probably correct me; can't you tell I'm a Microsoft shop. Anyway, plain, ol' web browsers can surf those pages out of the box.

Why would you WANT pointers ?
They're useless unless you want to mess with memory ...

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Not completely true. Sometimes they are useful for dealing with arrays. I'm not familiar with C# so I don't know what application they would have there.

..Which mircosoft will 'generously' offer in it's next version of windows.



Gather round, yalls: Here's my prediction in the next 5 years: Windows will look, feel, and act exactly like AOL, including the monthy fee!

"And we owe it all to you, C#!"


*shudder*

Where's my linuxbox... /me breaks out the X-Windows System coding guidelines

Originally posted by A_Rimmerlister

I'm pretty sure no one would have used DirectX-based games if the games didn't install it themselves as it wasn't part of the OS at first ...

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you're kidding???
directX rulles, many ppl download it. And it's often given with games.
OpenGL is nearly the same. I remember GLSetup for games using the Q3 engine. It's much bigger than DirectX

Moreover, I use JDK to develop Java programs. The JDK is made by Sun, so I shouldn't find many viruses in it.
And in XP, when you had to view an Applet, je Microsoft Virtual Machine (Java plugin) is downloaded. Here again, you shouldn't fin any virus or whatever ...

C# and Java are both pathetic attempts at a crappy substitute for C++. C/C++ will always be king.

Originally posted by RogueLeader
C# and Java are both pathetic attempts at a crappy substitute for C++. C/C++ will always be king.

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King of what? File manipulation and string parsing?