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Call me Erdrik
29th Jan 2002, 12:21 PM
LOOK TO THE FUTURE!!!

Another words its not ready yet :p

Im just setting up a thread for when it is ready and to post some preliminary info :)

First off I need a name :p I saved the .u file 'SRogue'
And was thinking something along the lines of 'Star Rogue' or 'Space Rogue' or something of the likes but I am unsure if it is used :p

Anyways on to Info:
will be futuristic and with HIGH techonlogy....

Two Styles:
Space Battles, and Ground Battles.

Space Battles will take place in Deep Space(duh!) between two SparCarriars, (or maybe even Star Bases...) and the ALL available space in UED will be used for deepspace(except a small portion for the sky zone :p ) There can be TeamDeathMatch or DTB. (thinking Destroy(or disable) the base/carriar have to infiltrate the enemy base and shutdown power... or destroy power, decided by mappers i guess)
(No regular deathMatch for this style as the maps would be FAR to large and would slow Gameplay down WAY to much)
Each base/carriar will carry a dock for the ships, and multiple turrents to control(Bot support is possible and Ive already laid in the ground work) Basicly you go out in the ships and beat the snot out of the enemy or destroy/disable the other base/carriar.
ships will be large. more like battle ships or cruisers....

Ground battles will be like above only on the ground and have smaller vehicles, like fighters or hovertanks, jeeps, ect...
Can have deathmatches between fighters, people, vehicles, or mixed, ect...

The ships and vehicles: I am working on a menu to select the ship's parts, ect. and will have custom models that can mix and match parts according to your specifications
( your every WHIM!! mwa HA HA!!!)

I know in big space based maps it will take a while to get from one end to the other. To fix this there will be a "super drive" system (like warp drive from startrek... only different so I don't get slapped.)
that will allow ships to get there quicker.. plus allow for some interesting battle tactics ^_^

Status:
Player can enter the ships. And the ships can move forward.
(done alot haven't i? :rolleyes: :lol: )

Future Features:
Hopefully weaponary on the ship will be visable, and will actualy rotate to face targets ^_^

Sheilding will only be visable where it was struck. so if a ship is cloaked( cloaking! ^_^ ) and not on your sensers ( sensers ^_^ )
you'll no where the attack is comeing from... unless its a remote missle( Remote missile ^_^ )
:lol:

When you destroy a vessle you can 'transport' the debrie aboard and if it wasn't damaged then you can return to base/carriar and outfit it on your ship ^_^ ( /me drools at this particular soon to be feature )

Weapon Types: (by Memory)
missles
torps
beam weaponary ^_^
phase weaponary
Partical Weaponary
Mines ^_^
ummm others too I can't remember... :p
(Im at work :p )

I suppose thats it for now...

Psycho_Leech
29th Jan 2002, 01:42 PM
What does ^_^ mean?

Call me Erdrik
29th Jan 2002, 01:57 PM
^_^ = Glee;

only anime. ;)
or 'Anime Glee'
Anime rocks ;)

but ummm what about the MOD? you think itll be a good idea?
any questions? quibles?

Smoke39
29th Jan 2002, 03:01 PM
Sounds nifty!

Psycho_Leech
29th Jan 2002, 03:59 PM
Sounds intersting

Postal
29th Jan 2002, 05:00 PM
Hmm, WAR was planing stuff like that.

well good luck.

Dragonfly_of_Forgery
29th Jan 2002, 10:47 PM
It sounds great... if you can actually make all that stuff you're planning.

Call me Erdrik
30th Jan 2002, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Dragonfly_of_Forgery
It sounds great... if you can actually make all that stuff you're planning.

Ive had a few problems but Ive over come them. with the help of this board actualy ;)

Just so ya know Im not a noobie at coding, or anything.
I code spells for DarkMagic(as well as occasionaly map and model :p )

Kangus
30th Jan 2002, 10:10 AM
I knew you weren't a n00b Edrik! You haven't asked a single newbie question.... hell, up til this thread, I figured all your questions had to do with some sorta wacky complex dark magic spell.... how's that coming anyway?

Call me Erdrik
30th Jan 2002, 10:31 AM
we have a beta 3 out (finaly :p ) tho it is the first release featureing the new core files, so it may take a little bit to get used to.... Some spells were excluded becuase we wanted the different spell circles to be even, but they'll be returned when new spell are coded to even the total.
The only major bug (IMO :p) is that the refire got fudged, and the bots use there spells like machine guns :D lol basicly if you hold down the fire button the refire works, but if you repeatitly click the fire button refire doesn't work :p
Magus is workin' on that .. lol

and I only said that so anyone who didn't know I wasn't wouldn't get discouraged about its development... :p

(and your words are very kind :D )

WheatPuppet
6th Feb 2002, 09:41 AM
In Space Combat:
What happens when a player runs into the boundries of the map?
What are the distances involved for ship-to-ship combat?

Call me Erdrik
6th Feb 2002, 02:02 PM
Map wise:
You know in UED how if you zoom out far enough the grid ends?
Well I intend for space combat to use ALL of the grid. Exept a small area for the skyZone :p
And I intend there to be a "Super Drive" that will be able to traverse the distance quickly in linear bursts... Im not really sure how Im going to do the boundries.... I was thinking of having a Massive Containment grid... like the a big grid to keep out alien invaders ect... like a national border or simething... :p or I could script triggers that would turn you around a send you in the opposite direction :/

I want the ships to be to scale. another words battle ships will be HUGE. fighter smaller, same with vehicles, ect....

Psycho_Leech
7th Feb 2002, 03:10 PM
I was thinking about the boundrys, don't use a containment grid, with walls pushing you back in, instead make ships do a 180 if they go too far, or something like that(much the same thing, but without visible walls). Could there be small planets and moons which could also have small AI units on them, on all sides?

These distances are gonna make some bad lag!:(

WheatPuppet
8th Feb 2002, 10:34 PM
Do large environs make for lots of lag? I don't see how that should follow...
As long as there are only a few actors to keep track of at any one time, why should there be a problem with lag?

When in space, what will the players be fighting in? At first it seemed like you were suggesting capital ships, but after re-reading your post, I realize that this is quite unclear.

Psycho_Leech
9th Feb 2002, 03:38 PM
I think combat is best in small fighters, of course, with these distances, large battleships would be recomendable.
With the thing about lag, I figured that having to render such a long distance into the background would cause lag, at least, large distances causing rendering problems in Quake, but it didn't really lag much, though, perhaps it wouldn't. I'm not sure how a fake backdrop would effect that.

Call me Erdrik
11th Feb 2002, 03:33 PM
make ships do a 180 if they go too far
________
I was thinking this would be the best bet.

Planets With AI? you mean like Planetary Defense Cannons? That be cool :) good idea

I don't know how it is in Quake but in UT it only matters about Polys and Nodes, and lighting.
Space == light lighting Space == one big cude basicly so low polys
the only thing might be the Actors, because MOST of the actors would be visable.

I was thinking to different types :
Space battles would be exlusivly for BattleShips and indipendant fighters (Fighters with "Super Speed Engines" )
and then there would be ground battles that would be smaller but will have all vehicles/ships EXCLUDING BattleShips...

/EDIT
oh and I am exporting and recompiling everything to see if it will fix my little 'Native' error... if not Ill just copy paste everything into a new .u file and see if that works...

WheatPuppet
11th Feb 2002, 06:58 PM
How will you handle a battleship's multiple turrets? (A battleship isn't a battleship without multiple turrets. I was so cheesed off when I found out that the StarCraft battlecruiser could only shoot at one thing) Maybe a lockon-type thingie where you give each turret a target that it will do its best to kill, like an AI controlled lock-on system. That way you wouldn't have to somehow control multiple turrets simultaneously while still controlling the ship.

Call me Erdrik
12th Feb 2002, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by WheatPuppet
How will you handle a battleship's multiple turrets? (A battleship isn't a battleship without multiple turrets. I was so cheesed off when I found out that the StarCraft battlecruiser could only shoot at one thing) Maybe a lockon-type thingie where you give each turret a target that it will do its best to kill, like an AI controlled lock-on system. That way you wouldn't have to somehow control multiple turrets simultaneously while still controlling the ship.

I was going to have a sort of Auto/Manual combination.

Each weapon is going to be placed on the ship in a specific area and with a specific starting direction. and will only be able to fire within its cone of fire. (fighter weaponary will have narrow cones while battleship will have a lot of wide cones) and as long as the target your looking at is within the cone of fire the weapon will fire at it. any weapon not able to fire at you target will actively search for enemies that are within its cone of fire, and within range. Im also thinking of setting it up so players can control some of the weaponary and switch between the different weaponary(Only in BattleShips tho, as fighter would only have one passanger in general).

NOW! even tho these weapons will search out and look for enemies and even aim for them they will not fire unless you click the fire button. that way you can charge weapons up or setup ambushes ect. plus it would just be lame to let the AI fire for you the game would get boring VERY quickly....

/EDIT
Oh I forgot, in fighters the turning will be fast and becuase the cones are narrow you will need to get the ship facing the atrget BUT battleships will have a new navigation type there will be a destination button and you will face where you want to go then click the dest. button and it will go there leaving you free to look around and target things....

Call me Erdrik
15th Feb 2002, 10:11 AM
Update:
I have overcome the Native error crap, and have started coding again.

and... I'm AIRBORN! yeah! I still need to work out collision tho :p

but Ill work on that tonite and hopefully be able to move onto Physics then systems... like weaponary, sheilds, devices, ect

for Physics Im going to have two Zone Infos:
Atmospheric, and Space. In Space the Ships will slide when turning, and in an Atmospheric Zone ships vehicls will be effected by gravity(even fighters, infact if the fighters reduce their speed too much in an Atmos Zone they will fall).

q_mi_4_3
16th Feb 2002, 04:20 PM
dont you think you should finish DM first before you do an other mod?

Call me Erdrik
18th Feb 2002, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by q_mi_4_3
dont you think you should finish DM first before you do an other mod?

maybe. but this is good practice, and currently I am working on getting rid of access nones, in my DarkMagic summons, and trying to get Sadistic Glee working..... :p don't worry I won't shank my duties at DMUT ;)

AaAnyways: Update:
I have worked out collision. And have started Physics
(basicly stalling in the atmosphere)

Call me Erdrik
25th Feb 2002, 09:45 AM
Up-id-die-diddly-date:

(First off for q_mi_4_3, I am making progress in DarkMagic as I have fixed SadisticGlee. But the summons still need work :p )

ok, I banged in the basic code for stalling. You can now reduce speed and cut the engines in fighters. Some may ask what use this would have, but It can be a great advantage to suddenly fall from the sky when you got an enemy on your tail.. then restart engines, come around and blow his butt-OX out of the sky ^_^

k, Collisions work but still need work. plans: collisions in fighters will be deadly as the fighter is generaly light and VERY fast. I still need to work out landing...
when you land it thinks your hitting the ground too hard and your ship takes damage :p should be an easy fix tho, just a:

function HitWall()
{
if (Thrust >= HarmSpd)
{
HitWallFunctionsHere();
}
}

I might even add code to desern initial hit and grinding along the surface ^_^

I also Started on Ground vehicles.. tho there was no real progress I did get plenty of ideas of how to do it. I can't wait to go hill jumping ^_^

Also I have plans for(and already modeled, but not skinned) a fighter that can land and move like a ground vehicle! :eek: basicly it's like a spider when flying its 'legs' point forward and house the weaponary, when landed it uses the legs to walk(which impeads(sp?) on its ability to fire so its still a airbased vehicle...)

I got an idea for sliding in space and will work on it when Im done with the groundvehicles basic code.....

mmm I can't think of anything else so tootles ;)

WheatPuppet
25th Feb 2002, 07:34 PM
Have you decided on a specific art style? It often makes a mod look really impressive if everything is in the same style

Call me Erdrik
26th Feb 2002, 07:37 AM
Im going to do the models around my own art style, and keep the polys low. Ill post a .zip with some concept skecthes Ive done soon. In the mean time, to get an example of my art style goto My Gallery (http://www.geocities.com/erdrik_e).

Psycho_Leech
26th Feb 2002, 03:12 PM
What if each team has a different style?

WheatPuppet
26th Feb 2002, 09:48 PM
The reason I asked is that while spacing out in Psychology (what else is an elective class good for other than spacing out?) I was thinking about your mod. Concequently I began to doodle out some of my ideas. The end result of some of my drawings is some spacecraft that bear a striking reseblance to World War II heavy bombers. I think it might be really cool to have some ships modeled after the aluminum-and-rivets look of 1940's aircraft. Maybe not capital ships, but certainly fighters (hooray for the Spitfire!) would look good in a spacey style.

Anyway, if you want concept ideas, just shake me upside down. They dribble out my ears.

WheatPuppet
26th Feb 2002, 09:55 PM
/me agrees with Erdrik's thoughts on life.

3 Rockets: What the hell? What do you mean? I don't get it! :(

Call me Erdrik
27th Feb 2002, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by WheatPuppet
/me agrees with Erdrik's thoughts on life.

3 Rockets: What the hell? What do you mean? I don't get it! :(

lol! :lol:

mmmm imagine coding a rocket launcher in UT that fires a rocket(A),
then that rocket(A) fires another rocket(B), but adds its(A) speed to The new rockets(B) speed.
new = spawn(class'rocket')
new.speed += speed;

the new rocket(B) is now going twice as fast as the first(A). and in space there is no atmoshpere so both rockets will continue to travel, the new one(B) constantly outdistancing the first(A). untill of course they hit something, like a planet or moon or whatever...

:p

WheatPuppet
27th Feb 2002, 09:16 AM
Does this have any relation to anything else? Maybe an idea for a multi-stage rocket launcher? Maybe a MIRV Redeemer?


MIRV == "Multiple Independantly-guided Reentry Vehicles"
The things I learn from Scorched Earth

Call me Erdrik
28th Feb 2002, 07:35 AM
I had an Idea for a bombing weapon, maybe a turrent or placed on a fighter...
It would fire a Energy bomb at a high arc (or level with the fighter) and would periodicly drop smaller Energy bombs at a random vector....

MIRV == "Multiple Independantly-guided Reentry Vehicles"
explain this.... is that a bunch of vehicles guided by one person or missiles?

WheatPuppet
28th Feb 2002, 12:55 PM
A MIRV is an intercontinental ballistic missile that, upon reaching the apex of its fight, separates into several smaller missiles, each with their own target.
The reentry vehicle part comes in because an ICBM usually flies pretty high above the earth, nearly into space. Each missile, therefore, is a reentry vehicle.